| ▲ | ruined 8 hours ago |
| i didn't even know usbc2 ports were a thing |
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| ▲ | yndoendo 8 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| The USB-C ports are unbalanced. Should have one on the left and right, not side by side. Unbalanced USB-C ports has become a common bad design in the laptop industry. |
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| ▲ | freeone3000 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | Commodity hubs, especially USB2, come with lots of ports; it's up to how many connectors you can reasonably fit on the chassis. But running a trace across the board for USB isn't a great sell. Getting a second board on the other side isn't a great sell, especially for budget computers like this one. So we end up with "unbalanced" ports. | | |
| ▲ | yndoendo 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | "Unbalanced" USB-C and USB-A ports on a laptop is a bad design. We should be calling out bad designs. HP, Lenovo, Asus, ACER, Dell, ... all contribute to this bad design. Apple even uses unbalanced USB-C ports on the MacBook Air. This is why I choose the Framework laptop over the big names. Their design has balanced USB ports were it can be charged from the left or right. Balanced power USB ports improves user experience with using on a couch or in a bed. Plugging in two USB to NIC adapters allows the weight to be balanced while working on a lap or some other non-desk environment. Balanced USB-C ports sold me and what I first look at when reviewing a laptop. | |
| ▲ | matthewfcarlson 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Yup- if you put usb ports on both sides of the laptop you need a retimer chip as the traces are too long/suffer EMI. Which adds to BOM cost. |
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| ▲ | craftkiller 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The first USB type C device was a usb 2.0 device: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_N1 |
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| ▲ | klodolph 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| There are also USB-C 2 cables. |
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| ▲ | eigencoder 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | USB-C is the bane of my existence. Everything looks the same, but certain cables won't charge certain devices for seemingly no reason, and other cables won't transfer data, and there's no easy way (AFAIK) to tell the difference | | |
| ▲ | eigen 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | > certain cables won't charge certain devices not sure how you can make a cable that doesnt connect power from end to end. I can see if it doesnt charge as fast as others if it doesnt have the bits required for higher current support. and if a device requires >5V to charge, thats on the device not the cable. > other cables won't transfer data again, not sure you can make a cable that doesnt connect the USB2 pair from end to end. but if device doesnt use USB2 and requires something else without mentioning it then that again seems to be on the device not the cable. | | |
| ▲ | craftkiller 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | FWIW the PS5 controller is super particular about what charger you use due to Sony being dumb, but the deciding factor there is the charger, not the cable. Source is the eternal benevolent champion of usbc compliance testing, Benson Leung: https://www.reddit.com/r/UsbCHardware/comments/tdduha/commen... (and also my personal experience, but Benson explains why) | |
| ▲ | eigencoder 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | It's probably a problem with my devices. I've never seen these problems with more expensive devices, but my cheap bluetooth speakers will only charge with certain cables. I also have cheap cables that don't seem able to do data transfer. Guessing it's not actually following the USB-C spec. | | |
| ▲ | craftkiller 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Are your bluetooth speakers connected over a C-to-C cable or is there any legacy USB in the mix (type-A and/or microusb)? The reason I ask is legacy USB expected 5 volts to be supplied by default, whereas in type-C you have to specifically request any current. So some C-to-A / A-to-C adapters/cables include the resistors to request the current whereas others do not, leading to legacy USB devices not getting power through some adapters/cables. |
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| ▲ | dhosek 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | USB c cables aren’t merely wires and connectors but have some electronics embedded on them. |
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