Anyone know how this would compare to an original M1 Air? Both in terms of performance and also capability. My primary use case for my air is web browsing and similar. But I do use other things at times. I know they're both arm processors, but are there things that ne can do an M1 that won't work on this?

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nateb2022 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The A18 Pro is roughly 30% faster in single-thread, and about equal in multi-core performance compared to the M1. The iGPU is also superior, and for AI it has 38 TOPS vs 11 in the M1. The A18 Pro should also be a lot more power efficient.

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lm28469 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

a18 scores better than m1 in single thread benchmark and about the same in multi thread

https://browser.geekbench.com/ios_devices/iphone-16

https://browser.geekbench.com/macs/macbook-air-late-2020

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augusto-moura 8 hours ago | parent [-]

This comparinson might not be fair, since we are talking about an iPhone and a Macbook. We need to wait for Neo's benchmarks. A lot of things can change from the phone factor to the laptop factor, from power supply, to thermals, to dedicated data lanes

	▲	lm28469 8 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Sure but it's very unlikely that it would perform worse in a laptop than in a phone, thermals are better, power supplies are beefier, batteries much larger, &c.

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augusto-moura 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Hard to know relative performance before we get benchmarks. Aside from that anything that runs on M1 should run on this in the same way. In fact, the processor on Neo should support slightly more modern software since it implements ARMv9 [1] agains M1 ARMv8 [2]

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_A18

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_M1

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nateb2022 8 hours ago | parent [-]

The A18 Pro has been around since September 2024, we have plenty of benchmarks.

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augusto-moura 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Not on laptops no, we should expect much better numbers on a full fledged laptop

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nateb2022 8 hours ago | parent [-]

The only difference the laptop would make is slightly better cooling; although with the effort Apple puts into iPhone/iPad thermals, I doubt it'll be exceptionally better. At most, maybe a 2-4% increase in multicore, from being able to sustain burst frequencies longer before thermal throttling.

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augusto-moura 3 hours ago | parent [-]

The laptop can also supply more power to the chip and might have better integrated data lanes. Throughput to cache might be faster too if the access to disk and RAM are faster, they could try a more aggressive CPU scaling governo, since the hardware can handle it. And the list goes on

Benchmarking is not only about raw processing power, we can easily prove this on chips that are not hardware bound, benchmarks can vary wildly between machines running Intels or AMDs. The hardware between a phone and a laptop are orders of magnitude different, even though the CPU is the same

	▲	NetMageSCW an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Most of that doesn’t apply, the RAM is part of the SOC so the same as the phone, the SSD controller is part of the SOC so the same as the phone. This isn’t an old fashioned Intel system, this is a modern Apple Silicon system where everything is unified. The CPU, GPU, I/O and SSD controller are all in one SOC.

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JBorrow 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They're pretty much equivalent.

	▲	microtonal 8 hours ago \| parent [-]
		They are not. The A18 Pro has much better single threaded performance (similar multi-core performance). Unless you are going to build software projects, a difference in single-threaded performance is going to be much more noticeable.