So TLDR is it competitive?

What are the dimensions and dynamics here vs EPYC?

This is really what I want to understand. Where can we see real world performance benchmarks?

	▲	wmf 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Phoronix should have them soon. Or if they don't it means the performance is bad.

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user5994461 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Not competitive at all. It's easily visible on the laptop lines, where the same GPU manufactured on TSMC has 3 times the power/performance ratio compared to the Intel one.

Putting more cores is just another desperate move to play the benchmark. Power is roughly quadratic with frequency, every time you fall behind competition, you can double the number of cores and reduce the frequency by 1.414 to compensate.

Repeat a few times and you get CPU with hundreds of cores, but each core is so slow it can hardly do any work.

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icegreentea2 4 hours ago | parent [-]

??? GPU vs CPU workloads are completely different. Comparing Panther Lake iGPU vs Ryzen iGPU is not going to tell you much about how high density server CPU performance will work out.

The Panther Lake vs Ryzen laptop performance comparisons show that Pather Lake does well, basically trading against top end Ryzen AI laptop chips in both absolute performance, and performance per watt.

	▲	user5994461 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		If you're not aware, Intel has released a lineup of laptops, with some models having the GPU made by them and some having the same GPU made by TSMC. That makes the comparison very direct. TSMC can deliver nearly 3 times the power/performance. GPU and CPU manufacturing is the same thing, same node, same result. GPU is always maximizing perf/power ratio because it's embarrassingly parallel, leaving no room to game the benchmark. CPU can be gamed by having a single fast core, that drops performance in half as soon as you use another core.