| ▲ | tiffanyh 6 hours ago |
| I'm not sure why the negative tone in this thread. The MBA is an amazing value, and appears to have only gotten slightly cheaper. This is a solid product, that continually receives incremental improvements and delivered at a lower price point (when spec'd out). |
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| ▲ | bhouston 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| The MBA is an absolutely solid product that is actually sufficient for the large majority of full stack devs. I use it (MBA 15" M3) with a large complex TypeScript code base, and it is fast and amazing at 24GB of ram or more. PS. The biggest speedup I got this past year (10x) was switching to native TypeScript (tsgo) and native linting (biome or oxlint). |
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| ▲ | ajross 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > absolutely solid product that is actually sufficient for the large majority of full stack devs Worth pointing out that the same thing is true for a $350 windows box. The news here isn't "The M5 Air is a disappointment", it's "Laptops are commoditized and boring". | | |
| ▲ | jimbokun 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | As a developer my quality of work life improved radically when they let me have a Mac instead of the Windows laptop I was using. | | |
| ▲ | ajross 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Were you 3x as productive though? That's the analysis "they" tend to be doing. I don't even use windows (beyond gaming). The Jedi and I are just off on the ends of the bell curve pointing and the stupid numbers on the stupid price tag. |
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| ▲ | bhouston 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | As a Windows-based developer from 1996 to 2015 and then Linux from 2015 to 2020, I can say that my dev experience is immeasurably better using a Mac. The ranking is MacOS >> Linux >> Windows. The Apple ecosystem is expensive but worth it if you can afford it (iPhone + Watch + iPad + AirPods + Mac.) | |
| ▲ | davio 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | $350 windows box probably isn't silent like the MBA | |
| ▲ | lenerdenator 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Worth pointing out that the same thing is true for a $350 windows box Depends. Are you doing dev on Microsoft's stack, or are you doing dev on all of the other stacks? | | |
| ▲ | horsawlarway 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I mean... it really doesn't matter. There are only a couple of relatively niche spaces where things like cpu performance are really the bottleneck right now. Hell - RPi 5 is perfectly fine for a huge range of development tasks. The 8gb version is very reasonable $125. Can you find things that these boxes can't do? Absolutely. Do most developers do those things? ehhhh probably not. Especially not in the webdev space. Would I still pick a nice machine if given the chance? Sure, I have cash to burn and I like having nice laptops (although not Apple...). But part of the "AI craze" is that hardware genuinely is commoditized, and manufacturers really, REALLY wanted a new differentiating factor to sell people more laptops. There's not much reason to upgrade, especially if the old machine was a decent machine at time of purchase. I have 8 year old dell XPS laptops that do just fine for modern dev. | |
| ▲ | ajross 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > Depends. Are you doing dev on Microsoft's stack, or are you doing dev on all of the other stacks? You can run docker in WSL better than you can on a Mac. You can run Linux natively on that box, too. "Stacks" is sort of ambiguous (my world is embedded junk, and the answer for using a mac with these oddball USB flashers and whatnot is pretty much "Just No, LOL"), but to claim that the mac is more broadly capable in these spaces when it is clearly less is.... odd. Macs are popular among the SV set, so macs are strong in whatever the SV set thinks is important (thus "I bought a Mac Mini for OpenClaw!"). And everything else runs on $350 windows garbage. |
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| ▲ | packetlost 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's a bit slow, but still workable for Rust too. I prefer doing my daily work on a much more powerful 9955HX though. | | |
| ▲ | LoganDark 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Makes sense; according to Geekbench, 9955XX has about a 25% lead in multi-core over the base M4, and about a 5% lead in multi-core over the base M5. And more cores, so better for parallel Rust compilation. | | |
| ▲ | packetlost 10 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I'm comparing it to my M2 laptop, but in practice the 9955HX is substantially faster than even the M4 Pro I have in my Mac Mini, about 30%~ or so in wall clock time for Rust compilation. |
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| ▲ | r0fl 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This laptop should be good enough for 90%+ of all users out there for 5-10 years |
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| ▲ | kibwen 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | lghh 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Mine shipped with one. It's not perfect, but it's always been more than capable for me. Did yours not boot into anything on startup? | |
| ▲ | georgeburdell 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Snarky but I agree. I dislike how much MacOS changes with each version. My kids have a Linux box (NUC). I wish we could have Linux on a late model Mac Mini | |
| ▲ | ApolloFortyNine 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Why is the finder the way it is? Is it actually easier to use than (whatever the normal file browser windows and linux uses is called) if all you ever use is macs? Most of the other quirks I can work around (though the default alt tab behavior not picking up windows of the same app is an insane default) but the finder is just unusable. | | |
| ▲ | jon-wood 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | As much as this saddens me I think its because most computer users these days never think about files. Everything we do on a day to day basis exists as database records, either in sqlite databases hidden away in application data directories, or in the databases behind a million SaaS products. Music is done in Apple Music, photos are managed in iPhoto, and so and so forth. | |
| ▲ | golem14 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | In which way are other GUI “finder-equivalents” better? I’m not invested either way, but I’m quite curious. It would be a great biz opportunity to make an aftermarket replacement if there is huge gap. |
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| ▲ | wasting_time 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I wonder how many more sales Apple would get if they published enough specs to make Asahi et.al. first-class. | | |
| ▲ | cguess 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Like 5. Literally 5, total. | |
| ▲ | askonomm 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The amount of people that know how to and also want to replace their operating system is effectively a rounding error in the consumer electronic market in general. | | |
| ▲ | brabel 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I like Linux and had Linux laptops before, but can’t comprehend why anyone would go as far as replacing MacOS on an Apple laptop. The OS is just fine, there is nothing superior about Linux Desktop environments. And you can easily run Docker containers for work that needs Linux. |
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| ▲ | gib444 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Until they release an update that slows it down | | |
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| ▲ | havaloc 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I don't get it either. I've rolled out well over a hundred of these in a higher education setting and I have never had one have a hardware issue or needed to retire it other than wanton damage. I still have a ton of M1s in circulation and they are great still. I had to just replace a Dell with only 2.5 years of service, they tend to fall apart. |
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| ▲ | jstummbillig 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The MB Air M line is a personal contender for best product of all time: Fantastic performance without fans, amazing battery life, high res display and build quality at that price point. When the M1 came out it was quite frankly unbelievable. And, even after all these years, I still don't see who would beat it across those dimensions. |
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| ▲ | allthetime 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | My M1 Air is going strong as my travel & about-town laptop. It can do everything I do on my vastly more powerful M4 mbp, aside from compile multiple mobile apps simultaneously in less than a minute. Absolutely insane value and anyone who says otherwise has no idea what they are talking about. |
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| ▲ | ajross 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > The MBA is an amazing value, and appears to have only gotten slightly cheaper. Looks to me like the base model went up by $100, no? The whining is just whining. It's a fine laptop, but it's not significantly improved from the one they shipped a year ago. Add to that the fact that laptops as a whole are well on the way down their commoditization slope and the general HN desire to cheer about Great New Apple Devices, this is for sure a backwards step. |
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| ▲ | c-hendricks 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | Base price went up, as did storage and the new price is cheaper than the previous price + equivalent storage I think |
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| ▲ | joe_mamba 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| >I'm not sure why the negative tone in this thread. Which negative tone? 90% the mainline comments I see are positive. |