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honeycrispy 6 hours ago

I wish they would provide Linux support. I can't stand OSX.

saghm 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It seems like there are a decent number of people finding Asahi stable enough for regular use: https://www.reddit.com/r/AsahiLinux/comments/1quko4w/how_via...

I imagine there are still some rough edges (and it seems like distro choices are probably a bit lacking at the moment if you prefer something outside of a few specific mainstream options) but given how niche ARM support was before the first M1 machines, the progress that's happened so far is honestly pretty astounding. Given that the iterations from M[n] to M[n + 1] seem less large than the initial leap from Intel to M1, it doesn't seem that crazy to imagine they'll end up closing the gap even further to the point where you could probably assume a similar level of hardware support from Asahi for a year-old Macbook as you would for a year-old non-Apple laptop.

As for Apple "supporting" Linux, my perception is that if they wanted to make it harder than it was for the people working on Asahi to even get this far, they almost certainly could have. It seems like they're probably doing the same thing that most laptop vendors do, which is not explicitly support it but also not go out of their way to block it either. For a company with the reputation and history Apple has, I think that's a pretty huge win for the community, and even as someone who overall has a somewhat negative inclination to purchase from them, I have to admit that they seem way less hostile to Linux on their ARM machines than I would have predicted.

TingPing 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Asahi is great on earlier models but it will certainly not support the M5 before its already multiple models behind.

wpm 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

That's only because they are focusing on upstreaming all of their work into the kernel first. A handful of them spent a small amount of time building some device trees for M3 and it didn't take them long to get to the point M1's were at at the first release of Asahi.

I imagine once a lot of the cleanup and maintenance is done on what they have, they'll be in a better spot to accelerate support for other SoCs, and it probably won't be half a decade before the M6 or whatever is supported.

All said, Apple could just spend a tiny tiny amount of their warchest and just ship some goddamn drivers for Linux a la Boot Camp and save the Asahi team the time divining it from the tea leaves.

philistine 43 minutes ago | parent [-]

Unfortunately, Apple is not one to revisit their previous decisions very often. With the move to Apple Silicon, the capabilities of the bootloader were locked in (chain-of-trust, ability to load other OS and keep chain-of-trust on macOS) and that was it. Apple is telling you what they support; there's never any damning secret with them. You want to run Linux? Run it in a VM on macOS. That's what marketing has been saying since day one of the M1.

Them's the breaks.

sysworld 3 minutes ago | parent [-]

I don't mind using Apple's native Hypervisor framework, it's better then QEMU (speed/overhead), but Apple has no support to passthrough USB ports. https://github.com/utmapp/UTM/issues/3778

saghm 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sure, I don't disagree. I feel like I was pretty explicit about what I was claiming though:

> it doesn't seem that crazy to imagine they'll end up closing the gap even further to the point where you could probably assume a similar level of hardware support from Asahi for a year-old Macbook as you would for a year-old non-Apple laptop

allthetime 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Is it? I have my old M1 Air and I am very curious but don't want to go through the trouble of fiddling about with linux for a few days just to leave it rotting after. I would be inclined to maintain a dual boot situation as well and SSD space is at a premium.

0xffff2 3 hours ago | parent [-]

As far as I can tell, Asahi actually requires dual boot. There doesn't seem to be an option to install it standalone. (But I have an M4 Air, so I'm not able to install it yet)

allthetime 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Just looked into it - MacOS is required for installation - and they firmly recommend leaving a minimal installation on the drive for things like firmware updates and disaster recovery.

elxr 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Good news, intel panther lake (and the laptops they come in) are on par with M5 macbooks in almost every way.

This year is a lot more competitive than any of the past ~4 years for premium laptops.

The asus expertbook ultra even has a much better screen, a much better keyboard, and a very similar haptic trackpad. Weighs less than a 13 inch macbook air too. There's cheaper options too that are close to as good (minus the screen).

dagmx an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Can you quantify your claim?

PTL’s highest SKU is comparable to the base M5 for only multicore perf at double the power use in every benchmark I’ve seen. It lags significantly behind in single core.

But I’d love to see a benchmark showing otherwise.

Just the latest I’ve seen https://youtu.be/7OxE7FwJPJM?si=b5T0PbmhUD1TXhX4

But I can find none that have PTL actually anywhere near M5 without strapping a much larger battery to the device

philistine 39 minutes ago | parent [-]

It's ridiculous to claim high and mighty that a chip that's not out yet is competitive. The only real way to test a laptop chip is in a laptop with the thermal choices made by the laptop maker. Hell, the M5 has been mostly benchmarked on the Macbook Pro, and that has a fan! The M5 is not going to be as impressive in the Air.

It's been five years since M1 and Intel has never been competitive in single-core perf per watt with Apple. It would be surprising if it changed.

lotsofpulp 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Are there any non-Apple laptops yet where you can just close the lid and put the laptop in your bag and not worry about it being on?

philistine 35 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Let me wax poetics here. Apple has been chasing the dream of the portable computer for so long, and has been at the forefront of the ultimate form factor of the personal computer, the laptop, since the early 90s. It's not surprising to me that the company that made an OS for everything, and a project to make an OS for everything, cannot figure out a reliable way to bring us a bicycle for the mind where you just close the lid.

Only Apple has been laser-focused to give us this experience.

brokencode 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’s funny that this is even remotely a concern in 2026. We have computers you can talk to but Windows laptops maybe won’t go to sleep in your backpack.

I do hope that it’s fixed though. I haven’t followed Windows laptops that closely, but my work laptop from a few years ago does lose battery surprisingly quickly when “sleeping”.

criddell 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You can go into Windows settings and change what happens when you close the lid to hibernate or power down.

eknkc 3 hours ago | parent [-]

That is more like a “wish” in windows.

jauntywundrkind 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> M5 also features faster unified memory with 153GB/s of bandwidth

I was about to write a post mourning how much I wish Panther Lake really could compete, but lacked the memory bandwidth to offer a real challenge. But supposedly it can go up to 9600MT/s which would bring Panther Lake to ~150GB/s.

I am curious what the NPU on M5 has. The 50 TOp/s on Panther Lake is... fine. Apple is really seeing huge success with MLX, with an adoptable software stack that the PC world is super struggling to deliver.

peyton 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

For something like my daily personal laptop the warranty is a big factor. I’d rather not deal with shipping it off to Asus for a couple months when it doesn’t boot or whatever.

BeetleB 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Would warranty cover a Macbook with Linux on it?

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sspiff 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Same. I was on macOS for work for about 3 years. Never gelled with me.

I was on an M2 Macbook Pro with Asahi and it was great. It's really hard to fault Apple's hardware for most use cases.

I'm currently on a Strix Halo laptop (HP Zbook), which is about as expensive, and the hardware is great, but power efficiency and build quality lag leagues behind by Apple. A 4000 euro laptop still feels like a cheap toy.

dcminter 5 hours ago | parent [-]

One of us! :)

Currently in a brief macos phase before I can be issued my Linux laptop at work. It's so clunky. A major annoyance for me right now is the lack of MST multi-screen over USB which means my nice daisy-chained home setup is fine on my near-decade-old Dell but doesn't work at all on the fancy Macbook. They have the hardware to support it, they just don't.

Generally the hardware with Apple is amazing but I'll take the hit on that and things like battery life just to get an OS that feels like it's on my side.

I'd maybe consider Asahi for home use but I'd be wary of it for work. Perhaps in a few years.

w10-1 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No support needed. Run Linux in a VM. Devices are limited, and you can't save/restore your state, but there's no real performance hit: my code runs faster on macOS(VM(Linux)) than macOS.

https://developer.apple.com/documentation/virtualization/run...

Buy the mac, try Linux in an hour, take it back if you don't like it.

pjmlp 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Then support companies like Tuxedo, System 76, Dell, Asus,....

The only time Apple supported first class Linux on their consumer hardware was with MkLinux, and that was when everything was going down in flames and they needed to survive somehow.

theowaway213456 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Agreed - I just can't get excited about the world's fastest CPU core running on the world's most locked-down and developer-unfriendly OS.

virgildotcodes 6 hours ago | parent [-]

World's most developer-unfriendly OS seems a bit hyperbolic when such a large number of devs use MacOS as their primary dev OS.

jama211 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Agreed, it’s Unix like, homebrew is great, it’s like GP forgot about windows

myHNAccount123 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Perhaps macOS would suffice?

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