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manofmanysmiles 7 hours ago

I love the following section of their copy:

> Even More Value for Upgraders

> The new 14- and 16-inch MacBook Pro with M5 Pro and M5 Max mark a major leap for pro users. There’s never been a better time for customers to upgrade from a previous generation of MacBook Pro with Apple silicon or an Intel-based Mac.

I read as "Whoops we made the M1 Macbook Pro too good, please upgrade!"

I think I will get another 2-5 years out my mine.

Apple: If you document the hardware enough for the Asahi team to deliver a polished Linux experiene, I'll buy one this year!

dawnerd 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

My 32gb m1 max was probably the best purchase I've made. Still plenty of headroom in performance left in this beast. Wonder what reason they'll use to end software support in the future. Bet it'll be some security hardware they make up for the sake of forcing upgrades.

kobalsky 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

my tinfoil hat theory is that they make small features depend on new hardware.

for example, let's say the new os depends on m5's exclusive thumbnail generator accelerator, and let's say it improves speed by a 20%.

now, your M1 notebook than on previous OSes uses standard gpu acceleration for thumbnails will not have this specialized hardware acceleration, it will have software fallback that will be 90% slower.

you won't notice it a first thought because it's stuff, fast, but it eats a bit of the processor.

multiply this by 1000 features and you have a slow machine.

I don't know how else to explain how an ipad pro cannot even scroll a menu without stuttering, it's insane how fast these things were on release

compounding_it 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

yes pretty much this. make useless features use up resources and make basic scrolling slow.

the Liquid Glass for example probably is not so great when it comes to resources. Probably works better with latest metal and hardware blocks on the GPU in M5 as opposed to using GPU cores and unified memory on 8gb M1 making latest macOS work not so great. I have the M1 8gb air and it is really slow on Tahoe. It was snappy just a couple of years ago on a fresh install.

samat an hour ago | parent [-]

I downgraded today for the first time in my life. Sequoia is crazy fast in my MacBook Air m2 16gb

Not upgrading any of my Macs ever again. I was a fanboy looking for every new update like a present, for 13 years, not anymore. It took one Tahoe burn all that trust. Never upgrading major OS versions on hardware from Apple again.

abustamam 13 minutes ago | parent [-]

I think this could go equally for Windows as well, and many other software (not just OS). I purpose refrained from Tahoe because I didn't like the design but I wanted to know what the consensus was on it before upgrading. Apparently it's bad!

Win 11 is bad compared to Win 10 as well. I'm fairly new to Linux so I can't really form an opinion there.

danielxt 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's not tinfoil, that's just how publicly traded companies work - increasing the share value

karolist an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Ditto, I don't see myself upgrading in the near future, the 64GB M1 Max I paid 2499 at the end of 2023 still feels like a new machine, nothing I do can slow it down. Apple kept OS updated for around 6 years in Intel times, I don't see how they can drop support for this one tbh. I'm still paying for apple care since I depend on it so much

manmal an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Some of my M1 MBP Max keys are losing their coating, and the battery is at 74% capacity. At some point soon I'll need a service. But other than that, I have no real complaints. Even the case edge where my arms constantly rest doesn't look too bad.

My next MBP will have 128GB memory, but these prices just wanna make me wait longer.

abustamam 10 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

If you don't mind a bit of DIY, apple runs self service repair.

https://support.apple.com/self-service-repair

LTL_FTC an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Those keys are easily replaced, my friend.

ramijames 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've been on a Macbook M1 Pro since 2022 (bought refurbished on Amazon for cheap) and it's still such a powerhouse. It doesn't struggle at all with anything that I throw at it. Kind of amazing.

Nothing has broken and I consistently get 4-6 hours of heavy work time while on battery. An amazing machine for the price I paid.

Nevermark 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I read as "Whoops we made the M1 Macbook Pro too good, please upgrade!"

As there target for that marketing, I can report it hits home!

But objectively, there is nothing wrong with my current experience at all.

I have never had that experience over many generations and types of machines. The M1 keeps looking better and better in hindsight.

—-

Looking forward, either the M5 is the next M1, a bump of good that will last. Or Apple will be really firing on all cylinders if it can “obsolete” the M5 anytime soon.

gniv 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

My late-2021 M1 Pro is working fine but I think one of the fans is broken. When loaded it starts beeping every 7 seconds and won't stop until I reboot. It might be just dust but I'm reluctant to open it up. Maybe I should and if I break it I have a better reason to upgrade lol.

wffurr 2 hours ago | parent [-]

You can spray compressed air without opening the Macbook. Also iFixit has a nice guide if you do open it up: https://www.ifixit.com/Troubleshooting/Mac_Laptop/MacBook+Fa...

jeanlucas 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Well, I just upgraded from Intel late last year. There are lots of users still on Intel :)

bsimpson 7 hours ago | parent [-]

There was a magical window at Google where you could be issued an iMac Pro 5k. (To this day, the standard issue monitor is still 1440p.)

~9 years later, there are a lot of people still using it as their main machine, waiting until we get kicked off the corp network for lack of software support.

bombcar 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Was that one of the ones that could do "target display mode" and become a monitor for another machine?

bsimpson 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Nope - they removed that feature, so now come the end of the year, they're all e-waste.

It feels really stupid to have to throw away a perfectly capable machine with 64GB of RAM in 2026.

abustamam 8 minutes ago | parent [-]

Wait, they throw them away, not sell or give to employees? I feel like as long as the computer is reset, indeed it is stupid to just throw it away instead of giving or selling it to someone who wants it.

TMWNN 17 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>I read as "Whoops we made the M1 Macbook Pro too good, please upgrade!"

>I think I will get another 2-5 years out my mine.

I only own a M4 because the M1 had a hardware fault and I needed a replacement ASAP. (I sold the M1 after repair.)

Although I'm glad to have a newer machine with longer future support, I have yet to notice any meaningful performance difference.

ukd1 10 minutes ago | parent [-]

Ditto. Though, I fixed my M1. I have an M4 max for work; the nano screen is a win. The perf is better, but it's really marginal unless actually doing stuff with the GPU, then it's super slow compared to a decent GPU anyway (i.e. h100, gb etc)

seanalltogether 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Same, in fact the only reason right now that I would upgrade my m1 pro is if they threaten to change the design by getting rid of the hdmi or sd card slot, or doing something stupid like when they added the touch bar. I was locked into my old intel pro for so long because of all the bad hardware choices they were making.

virgildotcodes 6 hours ago | parent [-]

You may get your wish with all the rumors of a touch screen on the M6 MBPs.

throwforfeds 6 hours ago | parent [-]

Love that they didn't learn anything from the touchbar.

whycome 42 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

They just didn't do anything with the touchbar. It could have actually been more useful. The removal of the esc key was pretty dumb though.

abustamam 6 minutes ago | parent [-]

The only useful thing I remember about the touch bar was the DJ trying to play some beats on the touch bar. That was just weird imo.

Barring removal of Esc key, I think the touch bar was useful because it showed contextual actions. But not every app used it so it didn't really get a chance to shine.

spiderice 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Comparing the touchbar to a touch screen is silly

throwforfeds 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I guess I'm just a luddite that spends my life on a CLI or text editor. Taking my hands away from my keyboard to leave finger prints on my screen just doesn't make sense to me.

I think people that do do tasks where a touch screen makes sense are probably just doing most of their work on an iphone or an ipad anyway.

Now gesture control on VR/AR setups? Sure, that feels like a new human/computer interaction system that makes sense. Jabbing at my laptop screen with one hand on my keyboard, not so much.

kjkjadksj 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

You are right the touch screen is even more stupid

speedgoose 4 hours ago | parent [-]

It’s not. I had a thinkpad with a touchscreen and while I used the touchscreen seldomly, it was useful in some applications. Notably to easily develop touch based applications.

I have a M1 MacBook Pro with the touch bar since. It’s crap. I remember the keynote where they introduced it and a DJ mixed music using it. It was ridiculous that it got approved.

abustamam 3 minutes ago | parent [-]

I do remember the cringy music demo. Can't believe someone really said "yeah let's rehearse this and actually sell this product."

Fortunately I just keep my laptop closed and use an attached display and keyboard and mouse, so I don't even remember if my M1 has a touch bar.

Also minor nit: it's seldom, not seldomly. Seldom certainly doesn't seem like an adverb, but it is.

satvikpendem 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I read it the same way. I should've gotten way more RAM back when I got my M1 and RAM was still cheap although this was of course before the LLM boom so there was no way to really know.

marpstar 6 hours ago | parent [-]

I maxed my M1 out when I bought it because I was frustrated with the 16GB max in the previous machines. I use my machine for all sorts of things and some days you just don't feel like exiting apps to make space for new ones.

I still don't have a strong urge to upgrade. I could probably get by on 32GB (like my work-issued machine is) but 64GB is the right amount of headroom for me.

predkambrij 23 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Please, please. I'd love to use it with Debian.

renewiltord 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I have an M1 Max with 64 GB and an M4 Max with 128 GB and the latter feels noticeably snappier than the former. The latest MacOS release fucked up the M1’s performance. Wish I could downgrade easily. I want off that ride.

brailsafe 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I have the M3 Pro (32gb) and an M4 Pro 16" (48gb), and the latter is sufficiently snappier to make me happy I waited to upgrade from my horrible Intel 13" i5 with 16gb. The M1 Pro I used for work a few years ago was great too. I'm not on Tahoe on either computer, thank god.

yieldcrv 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I have an M1 Max Macbook Pro, and having used many employer's newer variants of M-series macbook's since then, I'm still very satisfied with my M1 Max but

the air series is really good, and very light

my M1 is now noticeably heavy and I don't think upgrading to another Macbook Pro is the move the resell value of the M1 did not hold, specifically the bumped up storage models. There doesn't seem to be a market for 8TB of space specifically, but the base 1 - 2TB holds its value because the baseline of the MBP holds its value

M5 Max looks tempting if there is a very compelling tradein, but the M1 Max is pretty old so I don't have real hope of that, but I'll look. For AI Inference the difference doesn't seem good enough yet and necessary enough. I'll still need to use the cloud or aspire to have a specialized machine with more RAM or circuitry on my network.