As far north as BC is winter just doesn't have enough daylight to think you can get everything done with sunlight. Maybe Arizona has enough - but they don't do daylight savings time (one of two us states)

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exmadscientist 3 hours ago | parent [-]

> winter just doesn't have enough daylight to think you can get everything done with sunlight

That's the perfect way to say it.

The other piece that a lot of people are missing is the whole larks (early risers) vs owls (late risers) divide. I think the best illustration of that is to ask, if you got your pick, which shift you'd take, based solely on your own body and habits: 8-4, 9-5, or 10-6 (or perhaps even further in one direction)? My guess is that the answer to that question predicts your desire for Standard or Daylight time pretty well.

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bryanlarsen 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

My guess is that both owls & larks get their preference logically backwards.

My guess is that owls will say they prefer permanent daylight time and larks will say they prefer permanent standard time.

But their revealed preference is the opposite -- owls wake up well after sunrise and go to bed well after sunset. Yet permanent daylight time will shift it so they'll be waking up closer to sunrise and going to bed closer to sunset.

Larks revealed preference is more like permanent daylight time yet I think they're more likely to say they want permanent standard time.

	▲	Levitz 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I'm definitely in the night owl camp and I'd much rather have sunlight in the mornings because I already am going to have trouble waking up each morning, making it so I can't even set my circadian rhythm properly is just adding insult to injury. It amazes me that we actually argue about this based on vibes. We know that people are better off the closer the time between waking up and sunrise.

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1718627440 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

10-4 obviously.

	▲	exmadscientist 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Okay, yes, but not helpful here: that's a different thread.