| ▲ | terminalshort 4 hours ago |
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| ▲ | 5upplied_demand 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Isn't this the type of attitude that is giving cover to the types of actions the OP mentions, i.e. throwing the baby out with the bathwater? |
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| ▲ | terminalshort 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | 5upplied_demand 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > we are importing foreigners to paper over the fact that we have ruined our own education system. Are you familiar with any of these scientists we "imported" during the 1930s? Was that also a sign of a failed education system? - Albert Einstein
- Enrico Fermi
- Leo Szilard
- Hans Bethe
- Edward Teller
- John von Neumann
- Eugene Wigner
- Felix Bloch | | |
| ▲ | bilbo0s 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yeah, that's the thing, we've always imported scientists. So I'm unsure why HN User terminalshort is trying to connect this tendency to bad education? From literally the very beginning of the US we have engaged in this practice. I think Priestley himself came here somewhere around 1793? |
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| ▲ | epgui 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | You literally wrote: "Some anti-intellectualism might be a good thing". It doesn't get any more anti-intellectual than that, you put it down yourself in blackletter. |
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| ▲ | Retric 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| It’s not the intellectuals who are pushing standards down. High standards inherently reject people, that’s inherent to the concept. The push for ever higher percentage of the population to get degrees means the average student keeps getting worse, as fewer of them are really seeking to be educated vs get a piece of paper. Public schools are pushed to raise graduation rates due to political pressure and higher education is ultimately a business and then responds to those forces. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/Educatio... |
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| ▲ | terminalshort 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | You are 100% correct, but it is absolutely a bunch of useless intellectuals and their endless yapping who have pushed this crap on us. You are confusing intellectuals with smart people. | | |
| ▲ | Retric 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | HR can very quickly sort people by levels of education. Most companies don’t give a fuck what someone learned in their history degree, but know on average they’re more reliable than someone that dropped out of college. Some college still puts people in a better bucket than high school graduates, which is a better bucket than high school dropouts. Which is why the general population is trying to get that piece of paper. The day HR stops caring is the day this changes. | |
| ▲ | epgui 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It sounds like you have your own definition of "intellectuals", which appears to mean pretty much the opposite of what it usually means. | | |
| ▲ | terminalshort an hour ago | parent [-] | | I know exactly what "intellectual" means. It's someone who has spent years obtaining credentials in an economically useless subject and looks down their nose at people who would lower themselves to actually do practical work. A brilliant mechanic who can fix anything and has made millions running his business would never be called an intellectual, but someone serving coffee with a phd in English literature would. | | |
| ▲ | Retric 4 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Credentials are largely unrelated to being an intellectual. A mechanic who’s been publishing poetry would easily qualify where another mechanic with a PHD in History might not. Labs also need people who maintain equipment, it’s a viable and hands on carrier path to maintain electron microscopes and such all day. |
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| ▲ | epgui 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| That's a completely non-sensical take. |
