Hold on a second, let's backtrack. First you say you can "tell stories about the factory rampdowns", then when pressed to tell those stories you say you can't "because of NDAs" .... from 20 years ago on a business that's now defunct ... not sure how any of that would be enforceable today, leading me to believe you're either chasing clout for upvotes, or bs-ing. But OK, sure, let's ignore all that for now and move to the next point.

Secondly, you keep bringing up Stephen Elop's "burning memo" several times in this thread as the root cause of Nokia's failure, but when i use my google-fu to go back to the world of 2011, I see that Symbian had fallen to 31% market share from 44% the previous year and Maemo/Meego had a <1% market share, so it's clear to anyone with two brain cells to rub together than Symbian was in freefall and irredeemable against iOS and Android, and loosing them money, and Maemo/Meego was far too late to the party with an insignificant market share to rise up against iOS and Android, also loosing them money. So given this obvious loose-money loose-money situation Nokia was in, why wasn't the "burning memo" to stop the bleed, the right choice at the time?

People say this was the wrong solution, but nobody ever says what the right solution was. Maybe because they don't have a better solution, and burning it was the only right one. So you're probably looking at the unsalvageable past through rose tinted glasses.

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pjmlp 6 hours ago | parent [-]

I guess it is too hard to find stuff like,

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2008-01-17/germany-r...

Followed by a couple of years later,

https://balkaninsight.com/2011/09/30/nokia-leaves-romania-in...

Or I might suggest reading stuff like https://yle.fi/a/3-6886400

The rest, think whatever you feel like.

	▲	joe_mamba 28 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		>I guess it is too hard to find stuff like, Followed by a couple of years later Why are you sharing links to things I already said I knew? I was was asking if you can share things that aren't on google. All that shows how EU and Nokia moved manufacturing out of the EU out of greed and mismanagement. And now people ask why phones made in the EU cost crazy money. >Or I might suggest reading stuff like https://yle.fi/a/3-6886400 Wow, the ex-CEO of Nokia said that "the thing that failed was a bad idea", wow hindsight 20/20, most genious CEO ever. Now if mister Megamind CEO here could tell us what would have been the alternative better things Nokia should have done instead, in order to NOT fail, that would actually be interesting.