The fact that there are many American citizens willing to do that work

Used to be that America was great because the smartest researchers in the world wanted to come here, often escaping oppressive regimes to do so, and become American citizens (e.g., Albert Einstein)

So now all the world’s best and brightest scientists will move to China where they’ll be welcomed in open arms, enjoy living in a modern society with affordable electric cars, the world’s premier high speed train network, glimmering new subway systems, and ample affordable housing.

They’ll work on cutting-edge research projects that receive ample funding and support while American scientists wrestle with a federal government torn apart by anti-intellectual strongmen.

You ever see a Tesla robot demo like this? https://youtu.be/mUmlv814aJo

Are we tired of winning yet? It sounds like we are beyond tired of winning, we’d rather lose from here on out.

Seems like Russia and the USA are hell-bent on destroying themselves fighting forever wars to allow China and the EU to take the reins as the beacons of global stability and strength.

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nixon_why69 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The language is still a barrier to that so it will happen slower than one would think. Top scientists from everywhere outside China generally know English and not Chinese.

That said, China is sponsoring lots of foreign students from belt and road countries to come there and learn Chinese, so its a work in progress.

	▲	thrance 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		A scientist moving to a country isn't usually expected to learn the local language, the vast majority of laboratories speak English.

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terminalshort 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I've seen a much more impressive Tesla robot demo: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8vsTNFUFJEU

Large scale movements are much easier.

	▲	Balinares an hour ago \| parent [-]
		I, uh, actually went and took a look at both, are you really really really sure you want to pit the clumsy awkward thing as the best challenger America is capable of putting in front of China's kung fu ninja robots? :)

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leptons 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

>So now all the world’s best and brightest scientists will move to China where they’ll be welcomed in open arms

They'll also get to experience as much or more racism than they would have in America, but likely far more racism. In America you find racism in some (usually rural) areas, and people who are very accepting in other areas (big cities where most science research is typically done). I'm not sure China is going to be the easiest place to build a life for foreigners.

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Ray20 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> Used to be that America was great because the smartest researchers in the world wanted to come here, often escaping oppressive regimes to do so, and become American citizens (e.g., Albert Einstein)

By this measure, America is now greater than ever.

Of course, it's convenient to pretend that Trump is building a racist dictatorship with a Gestapo, and that's why no one wants to move to the US. But the true is that the number of people around the world who would like to move to the US is higher than ever. Especially when the current administration is trying to purge society of foreign criminals.

> So now all the world’s best and brightest scientists will move to China

Yes, of course. It's practically the same thing. The only reason scientists go to China is because they are not allowed into the US.

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muddi900 7 hours ago | parent [-]

There are a lot of leaps in this comment

	▲	sieep an hour ago \| parent [-]
		So build an argument against it. I think hes right, so if you claim he is making leaps, feel free to fill in rhe gaps?

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DiogenesKynikos 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The American citizens with top academic performance are already getting those jobs.

What you're effectively proposing is to prefer Americans with mediocre academic performance over top-tier international talent.

	▲	afpx 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		We actually have a glut of PhDs, which has been a factor in increased fraud and corruption

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kgwxd 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The one that couldn't afford a decent education? The ones that will be in debt for life (bribery risk)? The ones that paid money to be handed a degree, and wouldn't do an honest days work if their life depended on it?

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chazftw 8 hours ago | parent [-]

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	▲	ImPostingOnHN 8 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Yeah, before this restriction was imposed, the USA was the worst country in the world in terms of scientific research and advancement. Now that they have these restrictions in place, the USA will go from worst to best with the help of highschool-dropout equivalents who fudge their way through the interview and then complain about more than 2-3 hours of hard work per day (and demand 2-3 times the pay for the privilege). #winning !!! By the way, would you mind linking to some of your research scientist job postings, so such folks can apply to work for you? I'm sure you can't wait to hire them, just like everyone else, right?
	▲	Ygg2 8 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		> AI might not be good, but it’s at least as good as 90% of them and it works 24x7 Sure. It's cheaper - now. Might not continue being that cheap. What prevents Anthropic from jacking up prices once the field is consolidated. Plus, you're forgetting that anyone on an H1B visa still has to buy their food in the USA. While in the US, they contribute for good and for bad to the economy.

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xvector 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

No offense but born-in-the-US citizens are... not great at the most demanding knowledge work. The ones that are have all been hired. Our education system is trash and normalizes getting Bs/Cs.

I see so many people complaining about H1Bs at tech jobs. At least the H1Bs pass the interviews!

Disclaimer: born and raised in the US myself.

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terminalshort 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Not quite right. The US doesn't normalize getting Bs and Cs, it just gives As to everyone.

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orochimaaru 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I don’t think that’s an entirely accurate classification (as a former H1B and a naturalized citizen).

The leetcode nature of the whole process doesn’t lend itself to be motivating for people who aren’t really hungry for a job. As a US citizen you can say fuck it, I don’t need to deal with this shit. As an H1B you’re forced to deal with it otherwise you need to leave the country.

I’ve hired plenty of sharp and talented folks who were born here.

	▲	xvector 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I am not saying that sharp and talented folks aren't born in the US. I am saying that our culture generally has resulted in fewer talented folks than the H1B population because we have a cultural focus on education. For example, it is culturally acceptable in the US to get poor grades throughout K-12.

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chazftw 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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	▲	rithdmc 8 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Can you expand on how people failing interviews is filling the role you're hiring for?
	▲	krzyk 8 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		"their" meaning what? Whole worlds culture except US?