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seba_dos1 2 days ago

Apparently "full-stack alternative" means "layered on top of Android" these days, as Jolla does with libhybris.

ggus 2 days ago | parent [-]

From what I understand it's the opposite, an android compatibility thing layered on top of a linux base.

seba_dos1 2 days ago | parent [-]

It's both; the one I mentioned is for system drivers, the one you're talking about is for running applications (which you can also do on a regular non-Halium GNU/Linux using e.g. Waydroid).

mariusor 2 days ago | parent [-]

I'm sure that if you tell Jolla about a relatively modern mobile SOC with mainline linux support, they'll look into it instead of relying on libhybris.

seba_dos1 2 days ago | parent [-]

They can rely on libhybris if they want, why should I care - I just object to calling that "a full-stack alternative", especially when alternatives do exist.

mariusor 2 days ago | parent [-]

Modern SOC alternatives for a phone that can be used as a daily driver? Please do tell...

seba_dos1 2 days ago | parent [-]

Modern full-stack alternatives exist. I've been daily driving a Librem 5 running a Debian derivative for years.

mariusor a day ago | parent [-]

That wasn't modern when they released it in 2020. Jolla chose a little more pragmatism for their hardware in the hope that they actually sell phones to other people than 100% open-source purists. I find it funny when dudes like you go all "well awkshwally" on them...

Hackbraten a day ago | parent | next [-]

I use my Librem 5 as a daily driver, and I’m certainly not an open source purist.

What I do care about is that my phone isn’t going to run into obsolescence a few years down the road (due to hard kernel forks and YOLO’ed device drivers that are not going to be updated for newer kernels).

mrbn100ful a day ago | parent [-]

How is it nowadays ?

I can't find recent demos of the phone, everything is a few years old on YouTube now, and I know the device is still in development.

How usable the browser and camera are ?

Can you get a full day of battery ?

seba_dos1 21 hours ago | parent [-]

I type this in a browser on the phone.

Camera: https://social.librem.one/@dos/tagged/shotonlibrem5

Battery: I unplugged it from the charger 10 hours ago, it's currently at 55%. Typically it's up to 22 hours when suspended, up to 12 hours when idling without suspend and about 3-5 hours of active use depending on what you're doing. Could be better, but can be worked with.

seba_dos1 a day ago | parent | prev [-]

It sure was, it's a 2019 design with a 2018 SoC - but you may want to read the comments you reply to again, as that's hardly the point.