> conducting a live-streamed genocide

For what it's worth, I think the American activists on this issue bungled the messaging to disastrous effect (in the same way we bungled criminal-justice reform). It's a saturated issue with low political salience outside a specific (and increasingly constrained) demographic.

A win in Iran will be a short-term boost, in America and in Israel. Then we'll go back to being pissed about rising prices.

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Cyph0n 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The activism worked. Polling shows that support for Israel is dwindling especially among the younger population.

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flyinglizard 2 hours ago | parent [-]

When it comes to Israel, polling was always lower in younger populations, although yes - the trend worsened.

Israel chose to trade popularity for having real geopolitical gains on the ground. Popularity could be won back later, but removing the Iranian ring of fire around it is a real and tangible achievement that would last decades and change the Middle East.

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Cyph0n an hour ago | parent [-]

You make it sound as if Israel merely made a few PR blunders.. They’ve killed 10s of thousands of Palestinian children.

This is not salvageable without justice and accountability.

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flyinglizard an hour ago | parent [-]

I think most of the sane public understands that Israel was aggressive in Gaza but did not deliberately target children. The reality is that you can't conduct a war in Gaza without hurting civilians because its such a densely populated place, and the lines between civilians and combatants barely exist. So either you accept it and move on, or you grant Hamas an immunity (which was pretty much the situation until October 7th). Given that, it's not clear what justice and accountability you are looking for. Are you looking to investigate each child death as a murder case? Do a Nuremberg style trials for Israeli leaders?

The world will move on, because most accept while this was bad - doing nothing was even worse.

	▲	Cyph0n an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Not really sure what to say here. Maybe it’s a lack of empathy or imagination because the victims are Palestinians? Perhaps a good thought experiment would be to swap out Israel and Palestine with some other similar (real or fictional) conflict to help you think through your apparent confusion.

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moxifly7 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

About a third of American Jews now agree that Israel is an apartheid state and committing genocide against Palestinians.

It remains to be seen what impact this will have, but it will certainly impact the ability for everyone to claim that criticism of Israel and sympathy for Palestinians is motivated by antisemitism.

The democrats lost the last election in part because of their stance on Israel.

With a bit of luck this could lead to a shift in policy within a generation.

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propagandist 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Sure, it's the activists' fault. Not the people who committed this genocide in our government.

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thrance an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

American "activists" (didn't know being anti-genocide was a fringe belief but here we are) clearly won the narrative. Most Americans now oppose what Israel is doing in Gaza and want all support to this country to stop ASAP. This support for Israel cost Harris the election, as shown in their latest post-mortem of the 2024 election, and is making Trump and his administration ever more unpopular.