Right the red line wasn’t much of a line. If you’re drawing your line only at unconstitutional mass surveillance and allowing the DoD to build skynet because Claude’s not ready for it yet that’s not really a line of principle.

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bigDinosaur 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

How is that not a line of principle? Principle doesn't mean where we'd all agree, nor does it mean what we'd deem acceptable, it just means there is a line somewhere - and mass surveillance or fully autonomous AI in the kill chain is a very clear principle.

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jLaForest 6 hours ago | parent [-]

It's unprincipled because the implication is that once claude improves enough to be trusted with autonomous killing the company will be ok with it.

	▲	elefanten 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		But to gp's point, that is a principle. Perhaps not yours, but they outlined their stance and stuck to it despite threats and consequences. Contrast Sam's OpenAI announcement which was very carefully worded to appear to uphold the same principles, but is currently being rightfully disassembled as retaining various potential outs that would allow violating the signaled principles. Honest and staunch about clearly stated principles is better than wiggly and dishonest about weasel-worded impressions of a principle. And all of that is orthogonal to whether you (or anyone) agrees with a given principle or given revealed behavior.

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mrgordon 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It’s a line that no one else had enough backbone to draw so…

	▲	nickthegreek 6 hours ago \| parent [-]
		no one else at the time had chosen to be in the bed with the US military at the level anthropic was.