| ▲ | JasonADrury 3 hours ago |
| > I don’t have any other passport You don't need one, it is very easy to emigrate to many western countries as an Israeli passport holder. There's also a chance you qualify for one of the EU citizenship schemes for jewish descendants. You don't have to choose to live in an apartheid state. At least if you only held a Russian passport you could plausibly claim that it's somewhat difficult to move anywhere nice. > I live in a home that is younger than 80 years as most Israelis do I guess that makes it better. Truly, a shining example of Israeli moral superiority. I can easily find ownership records going back more than 500 years for the land I live on. Odds are it'd be trivial to go even further. What about the land you live on? Who owned it 100 years ago and how'd it end up in your possession? How do you think those records would tend to look in Israel? What kind of stories do you think they would tell? Would it be a good look for Israeli people? |
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| ▲ | halflife an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| My grand grandparent had a factory and a mansion in Poland , which was stolen by the nazis. My family moved with 0 assets to Israel to rebuild themselves. Will you please pay me the sum lost with dividends so I can return to Poland? |
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| ▲ | null_deref 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The entire continent of North America changed hands in the last 250 years many European lands changed hands in the last 150 years, some Israeli lands changed hands in the last 80 years, why should only we open our records? |
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| ▲ | JasonADrury 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | The Palestinian people exist and have very real and justified grievances. There's hardly anything comparable in Europe. | | |
| ▲ | fweimer 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The Romani people. Perhaps even Jews, depending on attitudes towards Israel. Probably other groups who are even less visible, so we don't know about the challenges they face. The 19th century push for nation states has marginalized and tried to erase many groups. | | |
| ▲ | JasonADrury 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I think it's pretty telling how Europeans treat those people now, and how Israeli people treat Palestinians today. Some of us learned to be better. | | |
| ▲ | null_deref 5 minutes ago | parent [-] | | wake me up when Spain has let their minorities a path for self determination and when you do something about the savages that loot and destroy everything in your previous held colonies like Wagner and the Russian African Corpus |
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| ▲ | null_deref 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Ok, I’m for building them a better future, we’re on agreement in that | | |
| ▲ | JasonADrury 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Do you disagree that there's a good chance that by choosing to live and pay taxes in Israel you're going to have a net negative effect on the future of the Palestinians over your lifetime? |
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| ▲ | null_deref 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Oh Drop down from your high horse, let’s ask you what have you done for example for the environment have you quit your job to join a cause to for the environment? Have you stopped buying things from china? Have you completely stopped consuming fast fashion? I won’t leave my friends and family and rather fight for the values of this country from here |
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| ▲ | JasonADrury 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | >Oh Drop down from your high horse, let’s ask you what have you done for example for the environment have you quit your job to join a cause to for the environment? Have you stopped buying things from china? Have you completely stopped consuming fast fashion? I hope this particularly weak whataboutism helps you feel better about your indefensible moral position. > fight for the values of this country from here Apartheid being one of the core values worth fighting for, apparently. | | |
| ▲ | null_deref 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Haha you literally asking me to leave my roots and friends and family and I have a weak arguments? Your arguments detached from reality. I cut my salary to be involved politically, I believe in a future of peace. You can rest assured I engage in what’s right far more than you | | |
| ▲ | JasonADrury 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > I believe in a future of peace What does that look like to you? I'm sure Hamas would say the same, it's just about how that peace is reached and how it looks like in the end. The typical Israeli vision of peace isn't any better than the typical Palestinian vision of peace. | | |
| ▲ | null_deref 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I’m not a politician nor all the information is available to me on what can be done and what not My moral compass says the following -
1. First of all securing our own democracy from all the internal authoritarian movements
2. Creating a situation were any Palestinian can live respectfully, feed their family and get education From there state decision should be far more easier. | | |
| ▲ | cultofmetatron 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > 1. First of all securing our own democracy from all the internal authoritarian movements perfectly reasonable ask. 3 years ago, I would have been perfectly fine if they demonstrated interest in that. Instead we have people like Ben gvir openly spout ethnosupremacist vitriol that would make hitler blush. Now my instagram is full of that man touring prisons where he brags about executing people who clearly show signs of torture. (and this is what they are COMFORTABLE SHOWING) between that and his approval ratings (60% of israelis want to relocate Palestinians somewhere else Its clear that the whole society is rotten from the top down. frankly, I just want this madness to end. | |
| ▲ | JasonADrury 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > First of all securing our own democracy from all the internal authoritarian movements Is that possible? Especially given the birth rate differences between the genuine religious nutjobs and normal people? |
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| ▲ | halflife an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Peace for Hamas is eradicating all the Jews. Peace for Israelis is coexistence. Look at egypt or Jordan for reference. | | |
| ▲ | JasonADrury an hour ago | parent [-] | | So why hasn't Israel just been granting all Palestinians citizenship? It's not really about coexistence, is it? Rather than existing together, it's at best about existing separately. >Peace for Hamas is eradicating all the Jews. Which is a perfectly natural position considering the historic relationship here. | | |
| ▲ | halflife an hour ago | parent [-] | | Why? First of all, we tried to give citizenship to Palestinians in East Jerusalem, they refuse. Second, are you suggesting to annex Gaza and th West Bank, and giving them citizenship? That means the come election, Hamas would be the biggest party in the Knesset, revoke all democratic rights, and create a sharia state. That will be the end of the only democracy in the Middle East. |
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| ▲ | cultofmetatron 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > I won’t leave my friends and family and rather fight for the values of this country from here The nazis justified the holocaust as a "defense of their values" as well. | | |
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