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Devasta 5 hours ago

Iran is a lesson to all: as soon as Israel or the US take a disliking to you you have to rush for nuclear weapons.

Iran has been the grown up in the room for well over a decade at this stage and it didn't matter one bit. You cannot appease Israel or the US because that don't want to be appeased, they want to bomb Iran into a lawless wasteland. They could have switched to a secular liberal democracy and it'd make no difference.

rando1234 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Don't know why you are being down voted. I mean Iran had a democracy that was toppled by the CIA when they tried to nationalise their resources in favour of a puppet dictator. If the US cared so much about human rights why not go invade Saudi Arabia.

RiverStone 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Go look at photos of the Iranian Revolution. You’ll see pictures of millions of Iranians involved.

It’s infantilizing to act like Iranians weren’t capable of their own decisions, or their own mistakes in this case.

This talking point that “the CIA did it“ has never been accurate.

orwin 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I know someone whose clan was involved (still were when I last talked to him, before the US left Afghanistan). Of course the CIA/MI6 used local support, but they did have an impact on when, who and how. And on the power structure from 53 onwards.

rando1234 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

My point is that any Americans claiming moral legitimacy for these actions due to human rights considerations should give us all a break.

And are you really claiming the CIA was not involved in instigating a coup to bring in the Shah?

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TiredOfLife 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Iran makes the drones that russia uses to attack Ukraine every day. Iran makes the rockets Houthis use to attack ships. Iran provides rockets andgunding to Hezbollah and Hamas. Iran is a terrorist state.

heyheyhouhou 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I guess it depends from which angle you see this. Things are not black & white.

A big chunk of the world sees the US as the biggest terrorist state in the world, followed up by Israel...

TiredOfLife 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Iran and russia are pretty black. Without any white