| Anyone raising their weapon against Israel in the last 20 years was armed, supplied, funded, trained and directed by Iran. There’s a special division called Quds in the IRGC responsible just for that. The list includes Hizbollah, Assad’s former regime in Syria, Hamas, Palestinian Islamic Jihad, Houthis, Hizbollah in Iraq and others. |
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| ▲ | yhavr 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | > makes Iran sound like the good guys in this story Only for dc/marvel-shaped brains where there are evil guys who do bad things, and they're opposed by good guys who spread goodness. > to ethnically cleanse the indigenous population from their ancestral land Like after creation of Israel, Arabs motivated (often violently) Jews to leave their homelands and move to safe Israel, thus proving zionist ideas to be right. And then wonder what people support these zionist ideas now? Any ideas? :-) | | |
| ▲ | moxifly7 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | >Like after creation of Israel So we agree that the first move in this conflict was a 20th century European nationalist group setting up a new state by force in the middle of an inhabited nation? With the blessing of the colonial power in charge. Doesn't defend what happened to Jewish people in Egypt and Lebanon, but certainly puts some context around it. As for the depopulation of Jews from Yemen and Iraq, that was Israeli policy and they managed it by themselves. | | |
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| ▲ | tdeck 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Despite this varied ethnic makeup Israel's basic law says that > The right to exercise national self-determination in the State of Israel is unique to the Jewish people. Which is why there are plenty of racist laws like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaization_of_the_Galilee | | |
| ▲ | idop an hour ago | parent [-] | | Yes, Israel was founded specifically to be a safe haven for Jews after 2/3 of them were murdered in Europe, and it passed this (somewhat ridiculous) law in 2018 because it knows full well that once Jews cease to be the majority in Israel, they'll cease to be, period. You can view it as racist, you can hate it, you can want to see Israel destroyed in favor of yet another 100% Arab country, it really doesn't matter, because the fact is you're all hypocrites who only have the safety that you have because of genocides, brutal wars, land capture, regime toppling and forced conversions. That's the only thing we learned from the rest of the enlightened world. Kill, destroy, erase, force convert, and somehow be deemed a beacon of freedom and democracy. In real life, Israel is more ethnically and religiously varied than all its surrounding countries, and non-Jews in Israel have rights that even I, as a Jew, don't have (such as freedom of religion). Jews are a minority in the Galilee, and there's no law for the Judaization of the Galilee. |
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| ▲ | moxifly7 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Cultural Arabs and Ethnic Arabs are not the same thing. Ethnic Arabs are from the Arabian peninsula. Islam's expansion started a slow process of Arabization whereby indigenous people in lands that ended up under the control of the Muslim caliphate/empire started speaking Arabic (mixed with their local dialects) and adopting aspects of Arabic culture, not dissimilar to the previous process of Romanization and Hellenization from the Greeks and Romans. TL;DR People who today call themselves Palestinians are biological descendants of ancient Jews and other peoples local to the region of Palestine who eventually converted to Christianity and/or Islam, some remained Jewish, started speaking Arabic, and never left the land. That's what genetic studies and history converge on, and what the early zionist leaders including Ben-Gurion also happened to believe in (Ben-Gurion wrote a thesis on this subject), until it became inconvenient for Zionism to continue to do so. | | |
| ▲ | idop 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Lebanon: 95% Arab Syria: 90% Arab Jordan: 95% Arab Soudi-Arabia: 90% Arab Egypt: 99.7% Egyptian I love how you turned the elimination of hundreds of religions and ethnic groups into some beautiful cultural influence. But go ahead, tell me how Israel is an ethnic supremacist state and how the Palestinians are the REAL Jews. | | |
| ▲ | moxifly7 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Don't listen to me, listen to the OG Zionists: >Ben-Gurion, along with Yitzhak Ben-Zvi (the second President of Israel), argued in a 1918 booklet (written in Yiddish) that the Arab peasants of Palestine were not descendants of the Arab conquests, but rather the "remnant of the ancient Hebrew agriculturalists". If you'd rather modern science, then there are genetic studies out of Israeli universities leading weight to this hypothesis (they tend to not get much attention among modern zionists as you can imagine). It's also the general consensus among historians of the region, inside and outside Israel. It's not really a contested position amongst academic historians. >I love how you turned the elimination of hundreds of religions and ethnic groups into some beautiful cultural influence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabization It was not always a clean process, varied a lot by century and location, but on the whole did not involve ethnic cleansing or massacres of ethnicities. The percentages of Arabs you quote above are, again, people who started calling themselves Arabs after cultural shifts, and not, as you seem to believe, a result of mass migration of ethnic Arabs from the Arabian peninsula to replace the local populations. I don't think we have much else to exchange in good faith on this topic, so I'll leave you here. | | |
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