I wonder how long it will take in Ukraine.

Actually at the rate we're going, there will still be active minefield defenses for most of our lifespans.

stevekemp 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Poland withdrew from the Ottawa Convention last month, with the aim of being able to lay anti-personnel mines along its eastern border.

Whether it does or not is an open-question, and while I understand it of course, the idea we're increasing the use of mines is a sad day. They're so indiscriminate and will no doubt cause injuries far into the future.

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postepowanieadm 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

No one is going to build minefields, too populated area, too many wild animals. It's mostly about automatic mining - https://www.hsw.pl/produkty/pojazd-minowania-narzutowego-bao...

	▲	nolist_policy 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		> The BAOBAB-K Mine Laying Vehicle allows the laying of minefields of various sizes, mine densities, and self-clearance times. The self-clearing is interesting and I hindsight auch an obvious thing to implement.

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dopa42365 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There's no border wall, just a typical bike road next to a small fence. So no, unless Poland is planning to blow up their own civilians, they won't mine their own country lol.

	▲	Xylakant 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		My wife’s part of the Family has a house with view of the border to Belarusia. It used to be a small fence just in front of a wood, but that’s long past. It’s truly a wall now.

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gljiva 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Placing landmines systematically during peacetime by a stable government-ran military should at least make clearing mines easier, and minefields better marked for locals. So, it's not completely indiscriminate. If it decreases war-related life loss (both direct and indirect), it's net positive

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matkoniecz an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I seen estimates that are much more pessimistic.

https://www.osw.waw.pl/pl/publikacje/komentarze-osw/2023-11-... mentions optimistic estimate of 70 years, and other statistics give estimated cleanup time of 740 years.

And in months since then more mines were placed.

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wiseowise 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Putin’s war, bro. It’s aaall Putin laying the mines.