So your position is that the United States doesn't get to have it's own Skynet, because Skynet is bad, and that if it really wants to it should fork the Chinese Skynet so that it can have a Skynet if it wants it so much.

Do you see the problem here. Genuinely don't think we would've won WWII if these people were running things back then.

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machomaster 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Without English and German scientists and engineers, the United States would not have had a first nuclear weapon or the first successful rocket to land on the moon.

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remarkEon 4 hours ago | parent [-]

The United States government held scientist at essentially gunpoint in secret towns to make the bomb happen. Not sure what your point is, other than to note that in a previous era people had a better gauge of what time it was.

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pc86 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

What a ridiculously nonsensical statement. Several scientists refused to participate, and at least one left part way through. Nobody was held at gunpoint.

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ParentiSoundSys 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Are you saying that we should consider the Chinese government to be an existential threat and menace to world peace on the same level as Nazi Germany?

What if the side that did Operation Paperclip and is currently champing at the bit to impose Total Surveillance on its own citizenry maybe isn't The Good Guys?

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remarkEon 4 hours ago | parent [-]

There is no evidence that this was a condition of the deal for working with the government on this. PRC already is a Total Surveillance state. The claim made by Anthropic is very specific, and it's that they feel that the law has not caught up to how AI can be used to aggregate very large amounts of data that can be obtained without a warrant through data brokers. The government already does this. Maybe you agree with Anthropic's point here, and it's certainly a good one, but they are building up a face-saving argument over what is already established precedent. An is vs. ought dichotomy and raising it as a redline is ridiculous.

At the end of the day I think many people simply want the United States to lose this race so they can feel good about their principles.

	▲	ParentiSoundSys 42 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Okay but then why is that also seemingly a red line must have for the Department of War? Isn't it just a tool of domestic surveillance and counterinsurgency for them? Seems like a distraction from any real U.S. national security objectives.

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itishappy 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Skynet nukes humanity.