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JumpCrisscross 7 hours ago

This is going to have two unintended consequences.

One, it’s going to fuck with the AI fundraising market. That includes for IPO. If Trump can do this to Anthropic, a Dem President will do it to xAI. We have no idea where the contagion stops.

Two, Anthropic will win in the long run. In corporate America. Overseas. And with consumers. And, I suspect, with investors.

bubblewand 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> In corporate America

A lot of corporate America contracts for the military in some capacity (it's a giant piggy bank and if you jump through a few hoops you get to siphon money out of it, so of course they do) and assuming this Tweet is accurate (Jesus, what a world) this will also affect them.

IDK maybe they have corporate structures that avoid letting this kind of thing mess too badly with the parts of their company that don't have contact with the government, or maybe it'll only apply to specifically the work they do for the government, but otherwise I expect it'll be devastating for Anthropic's B2B effort.

JumpCrisscross 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> lot of corporate America contracts for the military in some capacity

And a lot does not, or does so through dedicated subsidiaries so they can work multinationally.

rokhayakebe 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

What percentage of their revenue comes from the government?

skissane 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> If Trump can do this to Anthropic, a Dem President will do it to xAI. We have no idea where the contagion stops.

Will the next Democratic President do it to xAI? On what grounds?

The Biden admin negotiated a contract with a supplier with terms which are – to the best of my knowledge – rather unprecedented – do Pentagon contracts normally have terms like this, restricting the government's use of the supplied good or service? Do missile or plane contracts with Boeing or Lockheed Martin contain restrictions on what kind of operations that hardware will be used in? I don't think that's the norm. So the next administration tears up a contract made by the previous admin with unusual terms – nothing unexpected about that. The "hardball" of declaring them a "supply chain risk" is escalating this dispute to a never-before-seen level, but the underlying action of cancelling the contract isn't. I honestly suspect the "supply chain risk" aspect will be suspended by the courts, and/or heavily watered down in the implementation; but the act of cancelling the contract in itself seems legally airtight.

Next Democratic administration inherits a contract with xAI (and quite possibly OpenAI and/or Google too) – with presumably standard terms. I can totally understand the political desire for vengeance. But what's the actual legal justification for it? Facially, the current administration has a politically neutral justification for what they are doing, even if some suspect there is some deeper political motivation. Will the next Democratic administration have such a facial justification for doing the same to xAI?

Plus, Democrats always sell themselves on "we obey norms". They have the structural disadvantage that either they keep their word on that, and can't do the same things back, or they break their word, and risk losing the people who supported them based on that word.

JumpCrisscross 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> Will the next Democratic President do it to xAI? On what grounds?

Elon being affiliated with Trump. About the strength of logic that makes Dario woke.

> don't think that's the norm

Norms are different from law or contract. And yes, lots of service providers limit where their civilians can be deployed and under what circumstances.

> can totally understand the political desire for vengeance. But what's the actual legal justification for it?

President has core Constitutional control of the military.

> Democrats always sell themselves on "we obey norms"

That hasn't worked. The American electorate is looking for change. And up-and-coming Democrats are picking up on that.

> risk losing the people who supported them based on that word

The Democrat base absolutely wants vengeance. It doesn't play in swing states. But it probably also doesn't hurt. These are court politics, at the end of the day.

skissane 4 hours ago | parent [-]

> Elon being affiliated with Trump. About the strength of logic that makes Dario woke.

I think you have to distinguish between the official justification and some of the associated political rhetoric.

Official justification: "Previous admin agreed contract with unprecedented terms, we demand those terms be removed, vendor is refusing to renegotiate"

Political rhetoric: "THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA WILL NEVER ALLOW A RADICAL LEFT, WOKE COMPANY TO DICTATE HOW OUR GREAT MILITARY FIGHTS AND WINS WARS!"

If you forget about the political framing, and look at the official justification in the abstract, it doesn't actually seem facially unreasonable. The escalation to "supply chain risk" is a different story, but the core contract dispute and cancelling the contract as a result of it isn't.

So the question is, can Democrats come up with an equivalent abstract official justification–if so, what will it be? Or do they decide they don't even need that–in which case they aren't just matching Trump, they are going even further down the road to normlessness than he's gone.

> And yes, lots of service providers limit where their civilians can be deployed and under what circumstances.

There's a big difference between contracts for boots-on-the-ground and contracts for hardware/software. There is lots of precedent for contractual limitations on how boots-on-the-ground can be used. I'm not aware of similar precedent for hardware or software.

> That hasn't worked. The American electorate is looking for change. And up-and-coming Democrats are picking up on that.

Are they? Gavin Newsom? Zohran Mamdani? AOC? Do they actually sell themselves as "we see Trump breaking the rules, and we'll break them just as hard, even moreso"?

> The Democrat base absolutely wants vengeance. It doesn't play in swing states. But it probably also doesn't hurt.

It is too early to tell. You can argue in the abstract that X approximately equals Y, so if swing voters will tolerate the GOP doing X, they'll also tolerate Democrats doing Y – but the actual swing voters might not agree with you on that.

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