| ▲ | lukewrites 7 hours ago |
| I admire Anthropic for sticking to their principles, even if it affects the bottom line. That’s the kind of company you want to work for. |
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| ▲ | mikepurvis 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| It's also a very clear differentiator for them relative to Google, Facebook, and OpenAI, all of whom are clearly varying degrees of willing to sell themselves out for evil purposes. |
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| ▲ | disiplus 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It will also cost openai dearly if they don't communicate clearly, because I for one will internally push to switch from openai (we are on azure actually) to anthropic. Besides that my private account also. | | | |
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| ▲ | RivieraKid 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Is making effective weapons evil? | | |
| ▲ | spaghetdefects 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Given the history of US military adventurism and that we’re about to start another completely unjustified war of aggression against Iran, yes. Absolutely yes. | | |
| ▲ | flyinglizard 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Whether it's justified or not depends on what you're trying to achieve. If your goal is to deny nukes from Iran, then the war is entirely justified. | | |
| ▲ | galleywest200 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | The same admin that tore up the agreement for this we already had with Iran? | | |
| ▲ | flyinglizard 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | Not the same admin (that was Trump as the 45th), but I don't see the argument you're making. |
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| ▲ | thesuperbigfrog 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | A weapon is a tool. Whether they are good or evil depends on the hands that hold it. In good hands, weapons provide defense, deterrence, and protection. In bad hands, weapons hurt the innocent, instill fear, and oppress. The hands that wield them make all the difference. | |
| ▲ | etrautmann 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | That’s a simplistic framing (obviously) | |
| ▲ | biophysboy 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | What does effective weapons mean in this particular instance? | |
| ▲ | mikepurvis 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Depends what the customers of anthropic and OpenAI think. | |
| ▲ | MiguelX413 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yeah | |
| ▲ | Avamander 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Yes? | |
| ▲ | underlipton 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | "You need me on that wall!" | | |
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| ▲ | QuiEgo 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Companies change (remember "don't be evil"?) but yeah for the Anthropic of today, respect. |
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| ▲ | UncleOxidant 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I'm signing up for their $200/year plan to reward them for standing up to this regime. |
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| ▲ | cal_dent 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The team that handles their PR has done an amazing job in the last 9 months |
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| ▲ | ctoth 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Hint: It's much easier to have good PR by being actually good. Though it does make people like this do the whole implication thing. | | |
| ▲ | davidw 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I saw this the other day: > Costco is a really popular subject for business-success case studies but I feel like business guys kinda lose interest when the upshot of the study is like "just operate with scrupulous integrity in all facets and levels of your business for four decades" and not some easy-to-fix gimmick https://bsky.app/profile/mtsw.bsky.social/post/3lnbrfrvmss26 | | |
| ▲ | cube00 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | I don't know, staff at my two Costcos feel much more disinterested and rude then I remember a decade ago. It used to feel fun but now it's miserable. At peak times they run out of carts and tell the customers to go hunting in the lot for them, door greeters shouting at members across the floor, checkout queues stretch the length of the warehouse, they start half blocking the gas station entrance 30mins before close so trucks can't get in, so maybe they're turning those profit screws. | | |
| ▲ | shit_game 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | >It used to feel fun but now it's miserable. It's not their job to entertain you. |
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| ▲ | kouteiheika 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Ah, right, by being actually good, as in - being okay with mass surveillance as long as it isn't being done in the US, being okay with Claude assisting in killing people as long as it isn't fully autonomous, and being actively hostile to open-weight LLMs and open research on LLMs? This kind of "good"? No, OP is right, their PR department is doing a great job. | | |
| ▲ | ternwer 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | How have they been hostile to open weight models and research? Just because they don't release models themselves? Note that they are still releasing interesting research | |
| ▲ | unethical_ban 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Correct. Protect our citizens' rights, as we are the ones under the jurisdiction of our government. Yes, design competitive weapons systems that can stand up to the threats that adversary powers are creating, but do so while maintaining human control. That kind of good. | | |
| ▲ | zinodaur 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | It’s nice that Americans are being so open about how they feel about other countries these days. | | |
| ▲ | unethical_ban 36 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | What part are you bothered about? The concept of nations? | |
| ▲ | overfeed 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | "these days"? Too many countries/HNers are only just figuring out it's not fun being at the sharp-end of imperialism. |
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| ▲ | ternwer 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Why? What has their PR department done? Most people are quite critical of a lot of their messaging, it's their actions that seem worth encouraging | |
| ▲ | noosphr 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | [flagged] | | |
| ▲ | NewsaHackO 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's funny, because even if they walk it back, they still would come out ahead in PR versus if they just rolled over. Because at that point, it would look like a hostage victim reading a statement that they are being treated well by their captors in front of a camera. | |
| ▲ | dimensi0nal 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The admin is clearly running out of steam yet you expect them to be able to get what they want next week after failing this week? | | | |
| ▲ | ctoth 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Do you think that bad things happening is just hilarious in general? Do you like to see good behavior punished? I'm really trying to understand what you get out of making this comment. Also what happens when ... This doesn't happen? You just polluted the epistemic commons a bit more with some cynical bullshit sans consequence? Enough. I think it's time to start calling this garbage out when I see it. | | |
| ▲ | cal_dent 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Two things can be true at the same time. It can notionally be a “good” decision and also a straightforward act of Anthropic continuing their PR that they’re some sort of benevolent entity despite continuing to pursue a typical corporate capitalistic structure. It is what it is. The game is the game. But I’m not going to sit there and pretend their virtues are as pure of snow. I’m sorry that’s upset you. | |
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| ▲ | kace91 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This whole saga is extremely depressing and dystopic. Anthropic is holding firm on incredibly weak red lines. No mass surveillance for Americans, ok for everyone else, and ok to automatic war machines, just not fully unmanned until they can guarantee a certain quality. This should be a laughably spineless position. But under this administration it is taken as an affront to the president and results in the government lashing out. |
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| ▲ | aryonoco 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | We live in a timeline where you don’t have to have strong morals to be crushed. If you have any morals, you will be crushed. |
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| ▲ | zamalek 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| They have earned my business, for now. |
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| ▲ | jacobsenscott 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| If you're a billionaire there's no risk to "sticking to principles", so there's nothing to admire. Also that's not what they're doing. These are calculated moves in a negotiation and the trump regime only has 3 years left. Even a CEO can think 4 years ahead. It's probably in Anthropic's interest to throw grok to these clowns and watch them fail to build anything with it for 3 years. |
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| ▲ | merlindru 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | i disagree. 3 years is an insanely long time in the AI space. The entire industry pretty much didn't even exist three years ago! Or at least not within 4 orders of magnitude. Also, every other company has bent the knee and kissed the ring. And the trump admin will absolutely do everything they can to not appear weak and harm Anthropic. If it was so easy to act principled, don't you think other companies would've refused too? Eg Apple And there is real harm here. You're reading about it - they get labeled a supply chain risk. This is negative and very tangible | |
| ▲ | 0cf8612b2e1e 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Considering how many bootlicking billionaires I see these days, it is still a bit surprising. |
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| ▲ | bostik 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
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| ▲ | gigatexal 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Exactly. |
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| ▲ | lavezzi 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| > 83 people in total killed in US attack to abduct President Nicolas Maduro Blood is on their hands already |
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| ▲ | xpe 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | So much left unsaid. So much implied. Let’s make it explicit and talk about it. Here are some follow questions that reasonable people will ask: What was Anthropic’s role in the Maduro operation? (Or we can call it state-sponsored kidnapping.) Who knew what and when? Did A\ find itself in a position where it contradicted its core principles? More broadly, how does moral culpability work in complex situations like this? How much moral culpability gets attributed to a helicopter manufacturer used in the Maduro operation? (Assuming one was; you can see my meaning I hope.) P.S. Traditional programming is easy in comparison to morality. |
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