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beernet 2 hours ago

How are ~1B active users not "moat"? Might have to pull out the "Haters gonna hate" like it's 2007

monooso an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Not GP, and not saying I agree with them, but it may be worth remembering that Netscape had 90% market share at one point. Active user count may not be the moat you imagine.

mlinsey an hour ago | parent [-]

Adoption of web browsers was also much lower when Netscape was dominant. 90% marketshare is less meaningful if you're only 1% of the way to the potential market size. Peeling away users who talk to ChatGPT every day is very possible, but harder than getting someone whose never used an LLM before (but does use your OS, browser, phone...) to try yours first.

I think the even better analogy than browsers is search engines. There aren't any network effects or platform lock-in, but there is potential for a data flywheel, building a brand, and just getting users in the habit of using you. The results won't necessarily turn out the same - I think OpenAI's edge on results quality is a lot less than early Google over its competitors - but the shape of the competition is similar.

danielparsons 20 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

google search definitely has a moat. people build their websites to optimize for google's algorithm, therefore google users see better results -> google gets more users -> websites optimize for google -> repeat. Personally I never bother with 'bing SEO' or 'bing ppc ads'.

duped 8 minutes ago | parent [-]

Google backfilled their moat with sponsored results and crappy AI summaries

tsunamifury an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Switching is super easy and people are doing it.

There is no moat

mlinsey an hour ago | parent [-]

Maybe! Switching search engines is also very easy, and the top story on the front page is someone no longer using Google, but we know in practice almost nobody does that. As technologists we're much more likely to switch and know people who would switch.

rvnx an hour ago | parent [-]

Same strategy as for search. Gemini is going be shoveled down the mouth of users and they just won't change the default.

On iOS with the Apple agreement, and on Android (though the question of hardware remains when considering beyond Pixel phones).

richardw 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

“In December, Gemini traffic increased by 28.4% month-over-month, while ChatGPT traffic decreased by 5.6%”

https://www.businessinsider.com/openai-chatgpt-vs-gemini-web...

"What's you number one piece of hiring advice?"

"Hire for slope, not Y-intercept. This is actually my number one piece of life advice."

-@sama, who I’m generally a big fan of. But the job is now harder

sp4cec0wb0y an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How many of those users are paying? Where is the profit? How many users will be willing to use ChatGPT if they had to pay? Might have to pull out the questions like its 2026.

ac29 an hour ago | parent [-]

> How many of those users are paying?

About 5% according to a news article a few months ago.

Will the other 95% stick around once ads or payments are required?

rvnx an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

But why are these users sticking to ChatGPT specifically ?

If it’s not the quality of their answers ?

Night_Thastus an hour ago | parent | next [-]

They'll stay as long as it's cheap. The moment any attempt is made to raise the price, the number will crater.

rvnx an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Maybe: “ok I’m lazy, the app is preinstalled on my phone and it’s free, there are some ads but ok”

nickff an hour ago | parent [-]

Isn't that the 'bull case' for Gemini?

rvnx an hour ago | parent [-]

Have the same feeling, they have Gemma-3 that is preparing to be on-device stuff, and getting deployed on iPhone if I understand it right.

Then it can be something along the lines of "subscribe to Google XXX or Apple +++ and have 'unlimited' cloud requests"

metalliqaz an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Also when they start seeing real ads.

rvnx an hour ago | parent | next [-]

It started to get deployed: https://chatgpt.com/pricing/ it's called "ChatGPT Go"

    > This plan may include ads. Learn more 

    > When will ads be available in ChatGPT?
    We’re beginning in the US on February 9, 2026

    > Starting in February, if ads personalization is turned on, ads will be personalized based on your chats and any context ChatGPT uses to respond to you. If memory is on, ChatGPT may save and use memories and reference recent chats when selecting an ad. 

You pay 8 USD / month and have higher limits and ads
duderific an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Remember when everyone said Facebook would be dead if they started running ads

kingkongjaffa an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

for 99% of normies ChatGPT is the only LLM provider they know or have heard of.

shimman an hour ago | parent [-]

99% of normies aren't paying for ChatGPT, there's a reason why they're pushing heavy for corporate welfare + government contracts. They're unable to sell to consumers so now they'll selling to governments while trying to lock-in contracts that subsequent people can't easily dismantle.

elictronic an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Are those users Locked in or are they treating the service like a commodity easily changed when the price goes up to stop hemorrhaging money.

Google worked as a free service because their backend was cheap. AI models lack that same benefit. The business model seems to be missing a step 2.

numbers an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

yeah, ~1B active users + when non-tech people think of AI, they think of "ChatGPT" not many of the competitors.

leptons an hour ago | parent [-]

"Anthropic" doesn't exactly roll off the tongue, and I think a lot of people would avoid it simply because it doesn't have a catchy name like OpenAI or ChatGPT. It's also far more fun to say "I did a Google search" than "I did a Duck Duck Go search", and one still dominates over the other no matter the privacy concerns or how easy it is to switch. People can be simple like that.

giobox 11 minutes ago | parent [-]

I’m not sure it matters in Anthropic’s case that much - even people who use Anthropic models rarely think of the company as “Anthropic”. The Claude brand is very strong, so much so the website is Claude.ai etc, and you commonly see discourse about the companies models where the name Anthropic never even appears. It’s Claude, Claude, Claude all the way down.

Claude has impressive mindshare in many engineering disciplines too, and given how many open source projects are a play on its name I’m not sure I’d argue it isn’t catchy either. Certainly rolls of the tongue easier for me than “chatGPT” does, which even Sam Altman their CEO agrees is an awful product name they are stuck with.

kortilla an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Users are not a moat because there is no network effect here.

CharlieDigital an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How do you think this compares to Google and the AI search?

tsunamifury an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

700 million and declining with no clear story to levering either the attention economy or paying