>And as for foreigners, our view of China is far worse than it actually is, China doesn’t need to hide anything, people who visit China will come away with a more positive view of the country than those who do not visit.

To the extent that's true, it's because they won't let you see the uyghur reeducation camps.

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analog8374 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

What's the coordinates? I want to look at it on Google maps

	▲	sarchertech 40 minutes ago \| parent [-]
		Here you go https://xjdp.aspi.org.au/map/?

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MaxPock 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

We can get videos from remote hellholes of Africa like Dafur and Mali but apparently,that's too much to ask in Xinjiang.We can't even get satellite images to show us evidence of this so called wigur genocide

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sarchertech 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-11-01/satellite-images-expo...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/85qihtvw6e/the-faces-from-c...

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xanthor 2 hours ago | parent [-]

If you didn't have British Crown state media wrapping a narrative around these images you wouldn't think anything of them.

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sarchertech 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Would you take a group of Swiss journalists?

https://gijn.org/stories/interview-uyghur-victims-xinjiang-p...

How about the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights?

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xanthor an hour ago | parent [-]

Why should I take the claims of journalists without evidence?

	▲	sarchertech 42 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		So here’s some of the evidence that we have The Xinjiang Police Files: A 2022 leak of over 5,000 police photos, internal documents, and spreadsheets revealing the scale of detention, with images showing prisoners shackled, hooded, and under guard in 2018. The China Cables (2019): Leaked, classified instructions on how to run the camps, including directives to ensure "no escapes" promote "repentance" and use full video surveillance. Satellite Imagery Analysis: Researchers from the Australian Strategic Policy Institute (ASPI) identified over 380 suspected detention sites, including new construction and expansion, often featuring guard towers and razor wire. Testimonies and Research: Former detainees have reported torture, rape, forced sterilization, and intense indoctrination to abandon their religious and cultural practices. Government Documentation: The Karakax list, a leaked document, provided detailed, case-by-case justifications for detention, such as having too many children or wearing a veil. Are you this incredulous when someone reports that the US locks up more Black people capita than White? Someone defending the US could make the same claims you are that everyone is out to make the US look bad. That multiple independent groups are fabricating evidence etc…
	▲	fc417fc802 an hour ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Because it's their job? Because it's corroborated by multiple other journalists and even a UN report? Why should I take the denials of a pseudnonymous online account without evidence?

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Thlom 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

On the other hand you can travel to Xinjiang, visit mosques, Uighur museums, experience Uighur culture, observe Uighurs just minding their own business in their daily life.

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fc417fc802 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> visit mosques

Would love to know how that works in a country that outlaws christian churches that aren't tied to the state.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_church_(China)

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sarchertech 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

“Subjected to arbitrary arrests and forced labor, sterilizations to torture, more than one million Uyghurs, Kazakhs, Kyrgyz, and other minorities are estimated to have been locked up in so-called “re-education” camps and prisons in the region over the last decade, according to the UN Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights.”

https://gijn.org/stories/interview-uyghur-victims-xinjiang-p...

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xanthor 2 hours ago | parent [-]

UN High Commissioner on Human Rights Michelle Bachelet actually visited Xinjiang and made no such assertions. Whoever did release the report you're referencing, they waited until immediately after her term ended to release it (within hours). Pretty conspicuous.

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sarchertech 2 hours ago | parent [-]

No it was actually released hours before her term ended not after. And the reason she held off releasing until the last minute is because of pressure from China to refrain from releasing it.

In addition to releasing the report she released a 131 page Chinese rebuttal simultaneously. Not the actions one would expect of a shadowy group at the UN out to get China.

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xanthor an hour ago | parent [-]

No it was released Sept 1 Geneva time, and her term ended Aug 31.

	▲	sarchertech an hour ago \| parent [-]
		“Bachelet’s damning report was published with only 11 minutes to go before her term came to an end at midnight Geneva time. Publication was delayed by the eleventh-hour delivery of an official Chinese response that contained names and pictures of individuals that had to be blacked out by the UN commissioner’s office for privacy and safety reasons.” https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/31/china-uyghur-m... The organization’s human rights office delivered its much-delayed report minutes before Michelle Bachelet, the U.N. high commissioner for human rights, was to leave office. https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/31/world/asia/un-china-xinji...

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hungryhobo 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

it's been debunked a million times, gotta move on

	▲	sarchertech 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		https://www.icij.org/investigations/china-cables/beijings-ba...