The whole moon thing is a pointless and ludicrously expensive dead end. But if one wants to do it, one should choose between the working approaches.

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lukeschlather 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Orion is actually pointless, I don't understand why the mission goals are valuable. Partial success would be meaningless. Success is meaningless.

Starship in contrast has a variety of meaningful objectives. Even if Starship only achieves proving that cryogenic fuel transfer in LEO is possible that's a valuable mission goal in and of itself.

If you really think "the whole moon thing is pointless" NASA is pointless.

	▲	pfdietz 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		NASA does not seem to be constituted to be able to engage in a coherent manned space program of actual value. It's a long standing systemic issue. They are great at pretending to deliver value, but there's no "there" there.