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ForHackernews 3 hours ago

No one is stopping you from vibe-coding a POSIX-compatible mobile OS.

hu3 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Not parent commenter but this is bound to happen.

And I highly doubt iOS and Android are free from LLM assisted code at this point.

imadr 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Yes and? Let's suppose your statement is 100% true, I genuinely don't see the point of these kinds of comments.

Why every time some person/group of people enact an anti-LLM policy in their project, other people feel the personal need to stress how useful LLMs are and how that project is bound to fail if they don't use it?

Postmarketos clearly exists and works, EVEN if LLMs were absolutely perfect for speeding up development ten folds, is there any absolute moral necessity to use them?

Also isn't this just moving the goalpost that LLM fanatics love to point out?

plqbfbv an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> Postmarketos clearly exists and works, EVEN if LLMs were absolutely perfect for speeding up development ten folds, is there any absolute moral necessity to use them?

There's no moral necessity, but if you want to survive as a project moving forward, you'll have less and less velocity compared to projects using LLMs, so you'll eventually shrink and die as a project, because less people will contribute to a project that gets less features and bug fixes.

I don't understand why these projects have such a strong "moral" stance of "no AI ever", and instead they don't deploy LLMs to automatically review PRs based on their own guidelines, so that if the contribution is valuable, it gets through no matter if it was written by an LLM or not.

fruitworks 7 minutes ago | parent [-]

compared to what other projects?

hu3 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm pointing out that their expectation of AI-free OS is pointless.

Because AI-assisted code is most probably already present in devices they use.

And I dare say that even for PostmarktOS:

1) There's no way they can prevent AI-assisted code to reach their codebase.

2) They will most probably change this policy in the future lest other forks/projects outpace them in terms of utility and they get reduced to a carriage in a car world.

raincole 2 hours ago | parent [-]

The stance is not to 'prevent AI-assisted code to reach their codebase.' It's not like AI-assisted code is literally poisonous and their codebase dies if touched.

The stance is to deter random vibe-coders trying to resume-max by submitting PRs to known open source projects. There are so many of them rn. Hopefully by making it clear (some of) them will realize doing that is just wasting their tokens.

hu3 2 hours ago | parent [-]

I understand there's an avalanche of vibe slop PRs.

But to be clear their AI instance is as clear-cut as can be. Their instance IS INDEED to "prevent AI-assisted code to reach their codebase".

> The following is not allowed in postmarketOS:

> Submitting contributions fully or in part created by generative AI tools to postmarketOS.

source: https://docs.postmarketos.org/policies-and-processes/develop...

UqWBcuFx6NV4r 2 hours ago | parent [-]

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hu3 an hour ago | parent [-]

No need to call names. And I don't understand your point. Are you calling their rules impossible to enforce?

As per their rules, their instance is not only against entire PRs but any AI assisted code.

mpol 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Could AI write a highly specific camera driver or GPU driver, without any documentation at all?

hu3 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Probably not and why would it need such constraint?

Not even humans can do that. Documentation needs to at least be reverse-engineered and understood before implementation.

fruitworks 10 minutes ago | parent [-]

Because these are the major types of problems that pmOS solves?

pantalaimon 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I'm sure it could generate a decent device tree

fartfeatures 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Can you?