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adastra22 4 hours ago

Freedom isn’t free. Someone has to defend the democratic values that you and I take for granted.

Dario’s statement is in support of the institution, not the current administration.

cwillu 3 hours ago | parent | next [-]

The democratic values I take for granted is under direct threat from the us. Your government is literally funding separatist movements in my country.

jackp96 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

I mean, obviously.

But when was the last time our "democratic values" were under attack by a foreign country and actually needed defending?

9/11? Pearl Harbor?

Maybe I'm missing something. We have a giant military and a tendency to use it. On occasion, against democratically elected leaders in other countries.

You're right; freedom isn't free. But foreign countries aren't exactly the biggest threats to American democracy at the moment.

adastra22 3 hours ago | parent [-]

You have the causality at least partially backwards. Why has it been so long and infrequent that the US has been in direct conflict with authoritarian adversaries? Because we have a giant military and a willingness to use it. Pacifism and isolationism do not work as defensive strategies.

kylestanfield 3 hours ago | parent [-]

War is peace.

adastra22 an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Game theory is real.

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DiogenesKynikos 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

The last time the US defended freedom through military means was WWII.

As Abraham Lincoln said, the greatest threat to freedom in America is a domestic tyrant, not a foreign army.

adastra22 3 hours ago | parent [-]

Korea, Vietnam, Panama, Grenada, Libya, Lebanon, Iraq War I, Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, and Iraq War II were all fought for or over democratic ideals & the defense of democratic institutions.

All were driven by multiple competing and sometimes conflicting goals, and many look questionable in hindsight. It is fair to critique.

But it is absolutely not the case that the last time the US defended freedom through military means was WWII.