The worst part of this is if they do remove Claude, and probably GPT, and Gemini soon after because of outcry we are going to be left with our military using fucking Grok as their model, a model that not even on par with open source Chinese models.

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mattnewton 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I think the warfighters are a distraction, a system could trivially say that there is a human in the loop for LLM-derived kill lists. My money is that the mass domestic surveillance is the true sticking point, because it’s exactly what you would use a LLM for today.

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techblueberry 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Apparently part of this whole battle is because Grok isn't up to part to be an acceptable alternative.

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ternwer 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

As far as we can tell, OpenAI and Google seem to be ok with it and not resisting. It would be easier for Anthropic's cause if they did.

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alangibson 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Yea but every warfighter will get a waifu

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klooney 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Grok in unhinged mode piloting an Apache, what could go wrong.

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popalchemist 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

It's better than actively aiding them. Make them struggle at every turn.

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impulser_ 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Are you Chinese? If not, I think you should prefer the people defending you to have the best tools to do so.

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mikeyouse 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

This of course raises the question on whether as an American I have more to fear from the Chinese government or the US one.. given everything happening in the Executive Branch here, that’s a disappointingly hard question to answer.

	▲	impulser_ 4 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		I think that's an easy question to answer, but obviously you don't fear the Chinese government you're not a Chinese citizen. You can actively talk about your disagreements with the US government, that not a right the Chinese have.
	▲	krapp 4 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		>that’s a disappointingly hard question to answer It shouldn't be. The US government is already sending armed and masked thugs to shoot political dissidents dead or sending them to concentration camps, threatening state governments and private companies to comply with suppressing free speech and oppressing undesirables, and openly discussing using emergency powers to suspend the next election. What exactly is the commensurate threat from China? The real tacit threat, not abstract fears like "TikTok is Chinese mind control." What can China actually do to you, an American, that the US isn't already more capable of doing, and more likely to do? To me it isn't even a question. Even comparing worst case scenarios - open war with China versus civil war within the US - the latter is more of a threat to citizens of the US than the former unless the nukes drop. And even then, the only nation to ever use nuclear weapons in warfare is the US.

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8note 37 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

but the "people defending you" have been commiting clear and obvious war crimes?

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GolfPopper 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

If the American military was focused on defending the United States, it would be a very different beast. The 21st Century American military is a tool for transferring wealth from the public to influential parties, and for inflicting destruction on non-peer nations who pose obstacles to influential parties interests. Defending the United States against various often-invoked hobgoblins is at best a very distant concern, closer to pure lip service than reality.

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georgemcbay 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I'm a natural-born American (many generations back) and firmly believe that if we ever get into a hot war with China, it will be because of American provocation, not Chinese.