| ▲ | pavel_lishin 4 hours ago |
| > “If you’re not doing anything illegal, why worry about it?” said long-time Jacumba resident Allen Stanks, 70. I'm going to grind my teeth into a fine powder. |
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| ▲ | pinkmuffinere 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| > “Everyone is talking about privacy, OK. Stop putting everything on Facebook. ‘Here’s a picture of my food.’ Who cares?” said Stanks. Lol, this is just an old guy that wants to say something, _anything_ to the world |
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| ▲ | pavel_lishin 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | An old guy who doesn't understand the difference between the state surveilling everything you do, and you volunteering some photographs to the world. |
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| ▲ | hydrogen7800 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| This is perhaps a more common opinion than you think. Making it easy to catch bad guys is enough reason. I don't know how to effectively convince someone that the ease of law enforcement comes at the expense of liberty, which so many of the aforementioned opinion-holders also claim to be concerned about. I feel like it should be self-evident, that law enforcement and liberty are mutually exclusive, and that we have things like warrants to allow that infringement on liberty in very narrow circumstances. Dragnet surveillance is warrant-less evidence gathering. |
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| ▲ | pavel_lishin 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | > This is perhaps a more common opinion than you think. Oh, I know it's a common opinion. That's why I'm so upset about it. > the ease of law enforcement comes at the expense of liberty, which so many of the aforementioned opinion-holders also claim to be concerned about. Because they're convinced that because they have nothing to hide, the law will never turn against them. | | |
| ▲ | hydrogen7800 an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | >Because they're convinced that because they have nothing to hide, the law will never turn against them. Yeah, this is a tough one to counter for me. Trying to identify a specific thing they do that may become of interest to a specific abuse of law enforcement. | | |
| ▲ | bsder 14 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | The Jews in Amsterdam had nothing to hide ... until they did. Do you give everybody your tax returns? No? Then you have something to hide. Do you give everybody your phone records? No? Then you have something to hide. Do you give everybody your web history? No? Then you have something to hide. etc. | |
| ▲ | pavel_lishin 32 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | I mean, one thing you can look at is news stories about the police grabbing the wrong person, trying to find someone who's as much like them as possible - but any example can be rationalized away. |
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| ▲ | tosapple an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | [dead] |
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| ▲ | mingus88 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Yeah ask this guy how he’d feel if a different party were in power and doing this. |
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| ▲ | staplers 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| The answer is always "because law enforcement is usually doing something illegal" |
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| ▲ | hollow-moe 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| "You're in public space, you can't assume any kind of privacy here. Just don't go out." |
