| ▲ | tabbott 2 hours ago |
| It's an interesting idea. The current endowment size of less than $1M is immaterial; the question with a project like this will always be how it is able to raise capital. A way something like this could be interesting is if founders started donating 5% of equity when they started a company to an open source foundation like this one. It doesn't impact the founder much financially: Success is very binary for founders. But in aggregate, if thousands of startup founders do this, there would be some hits and some of those hits could generate a significant endowment. (You can also try to get people to donate who feel their success was built on top of open source, but I feel that after 10 years building a company to IPO, one's attention as a founder has likely been on business metrics and spending time with business people, not on technology and spending time with technologists, and that shift in attention can reduce people's feeling of gratitude for the amazing inheritance that is open-source software). |
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| ▲ | kvinogradov 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Consider this as a nonprofit startup that has just raised a pre-seed round. The current size of $700K is indeed immaterial, as our plan is to scale it significantly in the coming years. The closest real-world comparable to what we are building is the Wikimedia Endowment, whose former Director is among OSE’s advisors. Like Wikimedia, we aim to be supported not only by large donations but also by contributions from large community — in our case, 150M+ GitHub users. Our target audience is diverse - from highly successful founders to everyday developers. The Open Source Endowment is prepared to accept donations in both cash and stock from these groups. While 5% of equity may be too much, 1% seems achievable. I am personally ready to commit 1% of the carried interest from my own VC fund to the endowment. |
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| ▲ | kiba 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | What is a preseed round? You guys don't "make" money when the ROI is primarily about funding long term maintenance of open source projects. | | |
| ▲ | kvinogradov 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | "Preseed round" is just the small funding when the project is a very early stage. We expect to raise more funding when the endowment matures. There is no ROI, it is a pure charity. |
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| ▲ | verdverm 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Running a non-profit with the mentality of SV, what could go wrong? Definitely something I will actively avoid after parent comment | | |
| ▲ | dewey 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Seems better like the current state...of there not being anything like that? Perfect is the enemy of good. | | |
| ▲ | verdverm 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | There are many existing projects like this, I'm not going to pick the one started by a former VC Ask if those have not changed things, why would a VC run thing make things better? The last 2 decades have shown us what VC centeredness has brought us | | |
| ▲ | dewey 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Can you point out some existing ones with traction? I'm looking more at the list of people who are on board with it ("Trusted by open source creators" section) than who is actually running it, which I think is more important to get buy in than whoever is pulling admin strings in the back. | | |
| ▲ | verdverm 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Can you point out some existing ones with traction? That's kind of the point, there are none. The question is why? If people cannot even click a button to support when it's right there... I don't think people coming out of the VC world are going to fix it, call me cynical if you like | | |
| ▲ | dewey 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | You said: "There are many existing projects like this", directly followed by "That's kind of the point, there are none." when asked for an example. Which one is it? It's seems like a pretty thankless fundraising job but one where having connections to companies, banks and experience with distributing funds comes in handy. What's in it for a VC? I'd assume incoming deal flow and connections to new open source companies. Seems more promising to me than a technical open source maintainer stepping up to do it on the side. But time will tell. | | |
| ▲ | verdverm an hour ago | parent [-] | | there are many existing, none with meaningful traction it looks like there are no direct connections, they are investing, taking fees, and distributing the leftovers |
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| ▲ | whit537 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Former VC!? KV ... you gonna take that lying down? :P > There are many existing projects like this Also please link, we're not aware of any other endowments exclusively focused on Open Source. | | | |
| ▲ | kvinogradov an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | Not the former VC, but an active venture capitalist: https://kvinogradov.com. I earn money by investing in open source / AI / infra software startups, and I spend money by donating to nonprofit open source projects :-) Also, it is not a VC who run things, but the team which consists of people with diverse backgrounds (founders/executives/devs x OSS/nonprofit) and the donor community (which everybody can join): https://endowment.dev/community/ | | |
| ▲ | verdverm an hour ago | parent [-] | | It's the VC "class", similar to the Epstein Class, nowhere near as bad or vile, but have definitely been one of the primary reasons the wealth gap and inequality have risen and continue to rise | | |
| ▲ | dewey an hour ago | parent [-] | | With your strong feelings against VC, I hope you are aware that HN is the message board of one of the leading VC firms? > but have definitely been one of the primary reasons the wealth gap and inequality have risen and continue to rise That's a pretty big leap you are doing there. | | |
| ▲ | verdverm an hour ago | parent [-] | | You can click my handle to see I've been a part of the HN community longer than yourself, I'm fully aware of the many associations I have /rant'd on YC and the dilution of help to their startups after they stopped heeding their own advice to "do things that don't scale" | | |
| ▲ | whit537 an hour ago | parent [-] | | > I've been a part of the HN community longer than Dang, got me beat, too. :) gg | | |
| ▲ | verdverm 38 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It's not a competition, but it is faux pax for GGP to make the comment the way they did. I would hope you all would know that having been here more than a decade |
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| ▲ | kvinogradov 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | What are your specific concerns? By the way, only 1 out of 6 core team members is based in SV. | | |
| ▲ | verdverm an hour ago | parent [-] | | SV is not a geographical location in the sense I'm using it Taking capital, using it, taking fees, and then distributing leftovers... sounds like Trumponomics | | |
| ▲ | kvinogradov an hour ago | parent [-] | | We all - the OSE donors - are donating personal savings to make this work, and are directly interested to make this org as efficient as possible. Having skin in the game is best way to keep such nonprofits accountable. There is no leftovers or fees - all investment income from donations goes to open source, except for minimized operating expenses (e.g. accounting). It is run by the team of volunteers without salaries, and we require $1000+/year donations from all directors of this org. | | |
| ▲ | verdverm 27 minutes ago | parent [-] | | Are there rules on where you park the money between when you get it and when FOSS gets paid? The README has a 2-3% gap between expected returns and outlays, surely that is not all going to accounting? |
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| ▲ | whit537 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Thanks for the idea, tabbott. Made a ticket to track: https://github.com/osendowment/foundation/issues/24 |
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| ▲ | mannanj 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I'm not an expert here on equity, 5% feels a bit high. I like the idea - even 1% would be significant. In general, could we start to hold accountable and start using public status and tracking of organizational commitment to the open source software they use and make profit off of - that might help a lot as well. We in general are too naive and fail to hold accountable others and ourselves from contributing back when we use resources from the common public. Open source is like imo the common welfare/public resource. If others are abusing it, its time to call them out for what they are really doing: framing, abusing and stealing from the public and maybe we need to be more serious about this and change the public access (maybe hybrid-open source for companies who use OS software) and create systems to legally enforce these. |
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| ▲ | whit537 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'll put a plug for the Open Source Pledge here: https://opensourcepledge.com/members/ The companies listed there have all paid at least $2000/eng on staff/year to OSS maintainers. Real accountability. Endowment accepts corporate donors but is primarily geared towards individuals at this point. Pledge members are all companies. Both/and ... to the OSS moon! |
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