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qmr 2 hours ago

Saying California is Europe like is a serious insult to Europe.

JaggerJo an hour ago | parent [-]

Yeah. Seems like in Europe we figured out the basics and can now improve in “non essential “ areas. Meanwhile the US has no universal healthcare..

jdross an hour ago | parent | next [-]

I’m married to a Brit and she is constantly in awe of how much better our healthcare is here in the US. And she paid for private insurance there too.

Quality of facilities, low wait times, quality of staff interactions, organization, etc.

She even freaks out about how we have free parking at our doctors and hospitals here!

We’re on corporate insurance.

GJim an hour ago | parent | next [-]

So why are so many of your citizens without even basic affordable healthcare?

ecshafer an hour ago | parent | next [-]

They aren't. Anyone can go to the ER, and if you're poor it'll be billed through Medicaid. When I was young and poor, I had a multi-day hospital stay and multiple surgeries that totaled to $3.50 out of pocket. Urgent cares are everywhere and affordable.

triceratops an hour ago | parent | next [-]

> Anyone can go to the ER

They'll treat you if you have a heart attack and make it in alive. They won't put you on blood thinners or statins 10 years before that to keep you out of the ER in the first place.

I don't think ERs do chemotherapy either.

wolvoleo an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

ER isn't the only part of healthcare that matters. Most things can be prevented with easy access to GP level care.

ER is for accidents and when health problems get out of hand. If you end up at ER with a preventable problem the system has already failed you.

Only having free access to ER doesn't constitute healthcare.

Delk an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What do you do to address health concerns before they become ER-level?

zdragnar 23 minutes ago | parent [-]

Medicaid or ACA subsidized insurance

ajross 22 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

>> so many of your citizens without even basic affordable healthcare

> They aren't. Anyone can go to the ER, and if you're poor it'll be billed through Medicaid.

You guys are both wrong, and arguing with broad brushes about something that's complicated and subtle.

Health insurance is available to everyone in the country, but it's expensive and extremely complicated (among other things: you don't "bill through" Medicaid and lots of folks who qualify aren't on it because they can't figure it out).

It's true that the pre-ACA world where getting sick without employer-provided insurance means dying poor is gone. Almost everyone who needs serious care in the US gets it in some form, but lots of care is delayed because people aren't covered, as getting covered is "affordable" but extremely expensive (unsubsidized family plans run $20k/year and up!). It's much better than it used to be but not a great system.

The flip side is that it's also true that the large-payer corporate insurance system provides "better" care in the sense of access and outcomes[1] than the state-run systems in Europe. It's extremely rare in the US to hear the "on a waiting list" stories about elective care that you hear especially in regard to the NHS.

It's complicated, basically, and not well-suited to yelling on the internet.

[1] Obviously the system pays for this with much (and I mean much) higher service rates than the rest of the world extracts for the same care. US doctors and health systems do very well.

JaggerJo an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It’s good if you’re rich I assume

ajross 19 minutes ago | parent [-]

Not "rich", but "employed by a major corporation". Large-payer private insurance in the US is fine and produces outcomes at or above the level you see in the rest of the industrialized world. All the yelling is about ACA plans and subsidy programs.

cesarvarela an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Healthcare trilemma

11101010010001 35 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

What is the 'INSERTNAME' law that explains how all conversations on HN, which is ostensibly focused on tech, devolve (evolve) into the realm of the humanities?

justaman an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Now focus on self defense.

5G_activated 17 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

yes, defending against military and financial warfare and social subterfuge waged by the United States must be a priority for Europe and Britain.

JaggerJo an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

It’s in progress. Most of Europe slept on that - thats true.

But pretty sure we’ll figure it out over the next decade.

chaostheory an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

One of the big reasons we have no universal healthcare is because we socialized defense for other countries like your country. You guys are years if not decades away from being able to defense yourselves.

smelendez 40 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

That’s not really true, as an American.

We spend a ton on healthcare anyway, just inefficiently and in a way that causes stress and struggles for patients.

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