Your question was “Was there actually a case of a model saying "America's founding father were black women"

Whether someone else is injecting different bias is whataboutism. So it seems you are trying to make a different point, but not being clear about it.

And your “I think the HN crowd understands…” point is just a “no true Scotsman” fallacy to veil an argument that goes against guidelines. Related to the broader topic, there is a role for self-policing if we don’t want the site to be a cesspool of rage bait.

It's not whataboutism, it's suggesting the premise is theatrics and there's ulterior shitty-person motives behind the curtain.

But sure, let's go back to just the first half of my argument... still waiting for a real citation of this actually being a problem rather than people just stating it is because that's what their feelings say because their fav podcaster said so one day in a misleading gotcha hitpiece, which is the exact machinery of the aforementioned culture war theatrics.

You know, the same misused machinery that can now be done at an industrial rate (how many comments here do you think are by real people?) and is the reason for us technologists' general feeling of impending existential dread around this very "hmm AI companies are turning off the safeties" thread...