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techblueberry 11 hours ago

There was a recent conflict that came up, and there was a debate about whether or not one of the sides was committing war crimes. And I remember thinking to myself and saying in the debate “if this were a video game strategically speaking, I’d be committing war crimes.”

And sadly, I think this logic holds up.

embedding-shape 10 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I swear I'm not trying to start a flame war, but I think it'd be useful/valuable to know where you're from and what country you live in, as this certainly shapes how we feel about these sort of issues.

I've also been dabbled in such thought experiments with friends lately, and so far we've all landed at very different conclusions, even thought there are some reasons that it might make strategic sense at the moment.

techblueberry 10 hours ago | parent [-]

In in the US. I mean flame away, but I’m not happy about the observation I’m making, I’m not saying “given what I would do in a video game, it justifies what people would do in real life.” I’m saying “given what I would do it a video game, I think I see more clearly the choices people are making in real life.” life shouldn’t be a video game, but I think to a lot of high level leaders trying to compartmentalize it becomes one.

This is monstrous in the real world with obviously real consequences. But I think too many people say “obviously government X wouldn’t act in a monstrous way” but the video game analogy helps you see the incentives and thus, why they would/do.

XorNot 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Except this isn't an argument because "a video game" isn't a real thing.

There are a diverse range of specific video game titles, but they are incredibly broad in content and scoring system.

What specifically are you actually talking about?

chasd00 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

if you win the war then there really isn't any such thing as a war crime. Worst case is you feel guilty about it, there aren't any other consequences of your actions.

candiddevmike 11 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

What happens in rimworld, stays in rimworld?

giraffe_lady 9 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It holds up if you assume war crimes are beneficial to your goals but there is quite a lot of evidence, and sophisticated theory going back to clausewitz, that they mostly aren't.

They can look useful at a certain level of conflict, but once you are thinking of war as being a tool for accomplishing policy goals (how modern nationstates view it), a lot of the things you would "want" to do stop being useful.

Wars that can be won quickly through decisive military action alone are quite rare historically! More often things like support/enmity of the local population, political will in the home state, support for recruiting or tolerance of conscription, influence of returning (whole, dead, injured, all) veterans on the social structure all become more decisive factors the longer a conflict runs.

2OEH8eoCRo0 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Using human shields and hostages worked. Hamas still exists because of it. Dark times ahead.

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cindyllm 10 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

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