| ▲ | 999900000999 4 hours ago |
| The entire American software industry will feel the ramifications here. Gotta stay polite for HN. No data stored on an American server is secure. I really really do like Open Suse though, and I think an open source future is possible. Open Suse, Libre Office, etc. |
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| ▲ | isodev 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| Not will, they already do. My day job big corp hasn’t renewed a single US contract or license this year. We’re also in the process of ditching Office 365. Even Azure is no longer allowed for new deployments |
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| ▲ | cyberpunk 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| No data stored on european servers either, see microsoft’s comments in french court to this effect. The only solution is no american companies in the loop at all. |
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| ▲ | 999900000999 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | TBF I also sorta just think Microsoft is generally stupid. > Microsoft is using engineers in China to help maintain the Defense Department’s computer systems — with minimal supervision by U.S. personnel — leaving some of the nation’s most sensitive data vulnerable to hacking from its leading cyber adversary, a ProPublica investigation has found. https://www.propublica.org/article/microsoft-digital-escorts... After thinking about this for 90 seconds, Microsoft could license Azure tech to Hetzner or something. Keep the servers under EU control, but unless they share source code it’s still a blackbox. Honestly everything used for anything serious should be open source and regularly audited. We need check each others homework. | | |
| ▲ | simonh 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | AWS Outpost might be a reasonable compromise in some situations. |
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| ▲ | mghackerlady an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| SUSE and its children in openSUSE are freaking awesome. The tumbleweed release is the most stable rolling release ever, they have slowroll if you want something even more stable, and leap for basically a free version of SLE. Genuinely surprised that SLES hasn't overtaken redhat |
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| ▲ | mmsimanga 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| I am often amused at how people outside the US don't like the current US government yet if it wasn't for the current US government the whole world would have been sleep walking into Office 365 and Teams. I don't hold any political opinion but do like that we are now going to have alternatives and true competition. |
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| ▲ | Drakim 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm not sure I follow, are you saying that because the current US government is so bad that people are rejecting Microsoft products, the rest of the world should be thankful to the US for "waking them up"? | | |
| ▲ | mmsimanga 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Yes. The key point of view being from someone outside the US. I cannot speak for those in the US. But the point is techies outside the US had been reduced to merely configuring US products. Speaking where I am from IT organisations were now being led by accountants and lawyers because there wasn't any decision to make, just go with Office 365. The hardest part was negotiating the often opaque licensing. There has been a revitalization of the craft of software development and I think in the long run this will be good for the industry. Yes there might be fragmentation but hopefully standards start getting adopted to counter this fragmentation and interoperability. |
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| ▲ | rockskon 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| To be fair, the same could be said about most other servers too. |
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| ▲ | data_maan 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| I love these posts that are so on the edge that I can't tell if it's sarcastic or for real :) |
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| ▲ | titanomachy 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | The perception in the rest of the world is that America has gone completely off the rails and could do almost literally anything at any time. I don't think this comment is that strange. | | |
| ▲ | edgyquant 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Which country do you live in? | | |
| ▲ | titanomachy 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Currently in Europe, but I've spent a few years in the states. (Avoiding specifics, because I think AI will soon make it too easy to mass-doxx HN accounts based on their comment history, and I want to remain employable) |
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| ▲ | gammalost 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I do not know what you mean. The US and US-based companies have now become a liability. Global politics change on a day-by-day basis, EU has frozen trade agreement discussions because the tariff situation is unclear. There are open discussions in Sweden about how we can reduce our dependence on US-based companies, because we do not know whether that dependency will be wielded as a political tool against us. | |
| ▲ | maypeacepreva1l 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Which part is sarcastic here? As far as Europe as market goes, Software industries have already started to feel the pinch. Right now data protection and privacy rights of common people in the US is at lowest point, as we have seen in the news, anything goes for this administration. One must be living in an alternate reality to not see these things happening. | | |
| ▲ | edgyquant 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | This admin is doing nothing we haven’t seen previous admins do. Blaming the administration for how poorly American privacy is takes the blame away from all other politicians who’ve helped to create the “standards” as we have then today. | | |
| ▲ | pu_pe 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | It's true that the cloud act and other data handling issues were already there. There is one thing this US administration did that was unique though, which was to threaten the territorial integrity of an European country. | |
| ▲ | krior 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is the first time in decades the current administration has openly threatened Europe with war. Before it was a vague risk. Now it is a matter of national security. | | | |
| ▲ | pbhjpbhj 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | Remotely cutting off European allied nations personnel from IT access to private US companies at the whim of someone having a tantrum? That seems new. | |
| ▲ | inglor_cz 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | This is not really true. This administration spends a lot of effort on cultivating a visibly hostile image to its former allies and emphasizing the role of force over diplomacy. If there was any sort of tacit understanding that certain American power possibilites will only be used in relatively rare contexts (going after terrorists), it is gone. Nowadays the expectation is that the US will use various tools at their disposal even over relatively minor disagreements and conflicts. | |
| ▲ | maypeacepreva1l 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I beg to differ here. There are multiple things that have been either unprecedented or done in larger scale by this administration. We can start the blame from founding fathers for creating an exploitable system (as Godel had correctly pointed out), but to look elsewhere for the blatant abuse of power and disregarding privacy of citizens by this administration is, in my opinion, a biased take on it. | |
| ▲ | Juliate 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > This admin is doing nothing we haven’t seen previous admins do. Well... lots disagree with that statement. | |
| ▲ | Braxton1980 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The level is what matters. That combined with Trump erratic behavior and acting without thinking as shown with the 10 15 tariff change |
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