I don’t blame anthropic here. The government literally threatened their existence publicly. They either agreed or their business would be nationalized.

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helloplanets 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

It's not like that happened out of the blue. (Which could've also been the case in today's day and age.) Anthropic shouldn't have gotten involved in government contracts to begin with.

They inserted themselves into the supply chain, and then the government told them that they'll be classified as a supply chain risk unless they get unfettered access to the tech. They knew what they were getting into, but didn't want the competitors to get their slice of the pie.

The government didn't pursue them, Anthropic actively pursued government and defense work.

Talk about selling out. Dario's starting to feel more and more like a swindler, by the day.

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sonofhans 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

No, they either agreed or fought the government. You’re allowed to fight governments. Mahatma Gandhi and Reverend King Jr did it, and they wrote about how to do it. You might lose sometimes, but my god, you can at least fight.

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consp 6 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Neither of them had shareholders to please.

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sega_sai 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don't believe anthropic has shareholders either. It is not a public company

	▲	sebastiennight 3 hours ago \| parent \| next [-]
		If you take investments, your investors will most likely own shares of the company (except in specific early-stage scenarios like YC's SAFE). Sometimes major investors will have board seats or voting shares. This happens in normal private companies, not just public ones.
	▲	cube00 3 hours ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		Still has private investors it can't ignore, until it can buy them out, but it can't do that until it starts turning over a profit. Even then it may not be able to get rid of them if they own enough of a share.

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smartbit 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They had citizens to please and society to take care of.

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delaminator 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

They were both pushing on open doors

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we_have_options 35 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Agree with you on facts. Yes, the US government publicly threatened to nationalize their business.

However, Anthropic's business consists mostly of intellectual property-- which is highly mobile. What if Anthropic were to go to Marcron (France) for example or Carney (Canada) or Xi Jinping even and say "You give us work visas and support, we move to your land"?

Hell, isn't Canada (specifically Toronto) the birthplace of deep learning? Why stay in a hostile environment when the land of your birth is welcoming?

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johnbellone 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Pepperidge farm remembers when they left OpenAI due to their principles. Perhaps that was never the case.

Public benefit corporation, hm?

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XorNot 9 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Lotta just following orders going around in the US right now.

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jedberg 9 hours ago | parent [-]

This isn’t just following orders. This was the government using its might to force a business to do what it wants.

This should concern you.

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baq 9 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Today’s bingo:

1. Powerful, often exclusionary, populist nationalism centered on cult of a redemptive, “infallible” leader who never admits mistakes.

2. Political power derived from questioning reality, endorsing myth and rage, and promoting lies.

3. Fixation with perceived national decline, humiliation, or victimhood.

4. Oppose any initiatives or institutions that are racially, ethnically, or religiously harmonious.

5. Disdain for human rights while seeking purity and cleansing for those they define as part of the nation.

6. Identification of “enemies”/scapegoats as a unifying cause. Imprison and/or murder opposition and minority group leaders.

7. Supremacy of the military and embrace of paramilitarism in an uneasy, but effective collaboration with traditional elites. Government arms people and justifies and glorifies violence as “redemptive”.

8. Rampant sexism.

9. Control of mass media and undermining “truth”.

10. Obsession with national security, crime and punishment, and fostering a sense of the nation under attack.

11. Religion and government are intertwined.

12. Corporate power is protected and labor power is suppressed.

13. Disdain for intellectuals and the arts not aligned with the narrative.

14. Rampant cronyism and corruption. Loyalty to the leader is paramount and often more important than competence.

15. Fraudulent elections and creation of a one-party state.

16. Often seeking to expand territory through armed conflict.

	▲	ozmodiar an hour ago \| parent [-]
		17. Top members of government, education and business (particularly tech) part of pedophile kidnapping and rape cult that has been shaping reactionary culture for decades now. I seriously don't even know how to process the world I live in anymore.

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toolazytologin 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

How is that not “just following orders”? All orders from up the chain come with an implied “or else my might comes down on you”.

Most people do the right thing when it’s easy and profitable. Having ethics means doing the right thing even when it’s difficult.

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ozmodiar an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It does concern me, and it should have concerned them enough to fall on their sword for their principals. They have FU money, if they're not willing to, who is?

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apothegm 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Two sides of the same filthy coin, in a way.

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ReptileMan 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

>This isn’t just following orders. This was the government using its might to force a business to do what it wants.

You are saying it like it is something new or extraordinary. Wickard_v._Filburn gave the USG the power to bitch slap anyone unless it falls under some of the other amendments. And not as if they were not substantially weakened.