For all the progress, you lose me immediately with the "social credit" system. If there was really true 'progress', then you wouldn't need a one-party system that suppresses all dissent.

Only need to look to the recent changes in Hong-Kong and the obviously hostile takeover of a democratic government to see how "pure" these changes really are.

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hamandcheese 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> If there was really true 'progress', then you wouldn't need a one-party system that suppresses all dissent.

This makes no sense. It is possible for a totalitarian government which is threatened by dissent and concepts like "democracy" to also work in the interest of improving overall quality of life.

	▲	viraptor an hour ago \| parent [-]
		If things work so well that everyone's quality or life is improved, why would there be dissent large enough to worry about. It's the same category as: Why would a company with happy well paid workers be worried about unions and try to stop them forming.

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xtn 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There are bad things in China, but there is no "social credit" system being used.

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Saline9515 2 hours ago | parent [-]

Yes there is. Why deny it? It's pretty public. In this french documentary, which was later aired on the parliamentary tv channel, the author films his daily life with his chinese wife, who has a social credit account, and interviews officials speaking openly about it. It's 4 years old.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma6txLM_LLs

	▲	yanhangyhy an hour ago \| parent \| next [-]
		i dont have.. and nobody talks about it.. in china. this remind me one of the ep of the TV show <newsroom> when they found so many evidence of a massacre using chemical weapons and broadcast it.. and then found out its all fake.
	▲	stx5 18 minutes ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		fake news!

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resters 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Snowden's revelations showed that the same stuff exists in the US.

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shimman 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Dude come on, the US already has a social credit system. Where do you think China got the idea of credit scores from? Try getting a good loan in the US if your credit score is under 400. You're barred from having certain jobs if you don't have a good credit score.

Get some new talking points, you're like 40 years out of date.

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Saline9515 2 hours ago | parent [-]

The difference with China is that the US credit score is limited to your banking activities.

	▲	digitalPhonix 4 minutes ago \| parent \| next [-]
		Have you tried renting recently?
	▲	m4ck_ an hour ago \| parent \| prev [-]
		It's not just loans and banking. Bad credit severely limits your housing options, even rooms for rent are running credit checks these days. Some employers too, even in roles where you aren't directly handling money or anything close to it.

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biggoodwolf an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

No true scotsman