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| ▲ | jeromegv 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I don’t think we can truly compare the missile attacks of Hamas vs the bombing campaigns of Israel Look at any photo of any neighborhood in Israel, is there anywhere that remotely looks similar to the pile of rocks that Gaza looks like now? Universities, hospitals, so much infrastructure, all gone. So much of Gaza is now people living in tents. Israel destroyed so much civilian infrastructure that existed. How’s that similar to you? | | |
| ▲ | ceejayoz 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Look, I don't disagree, but American cities looked pretty fine after WWII, and Germany was rubble. Which side gets pounded more doesn't inherently prove which side was right. (In this case, I'm of the opinion that both sides committed clear, deliberate war crimes.) | | |
| ▲ | DiogenesKynikos an hour ago | parent [-] | | Germany invaded most of Europe and left much of it in rubble. You're picking a very weird, specific comparison (German vs. US cities) and leaving out the obvious comparison (German vs. Soviet or Polish cities). Also, comparing Nazi Germany, a massively powerful industrial state, with a tiny, poor territory under foreign occupation by a vastly superior power is insane. | | |
| ▲ | richardfeynman an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | Gaza began the war with a more powerful army than many European countries: more soldiers, more rockets, more war-fighting infrastructure. Gaza wasn't a particularly poor place before the war, certainly not by the standards of the middle east. It had mansions and average salaries that, for some professions, were higher than average salaries in Israel. It was a net food exporter. | | |
| ▲ | xg15 41 minutes ago | parent [-] | | It was also fully blockaded by Israeli (and Egyptian) forces on all sides? Israel was in full control of what was going in an out of it. | | |
| ▲ | richardfeynman 33 minutes ago | parent [-] | | I don't see how that's relevant to the earlier claim, but even this claim of yours is a gross overstatement. There was a partial blockade, not a full blockade, and this partial blockade came after Palestinians launched the second intifada. Prior to the october 7 massacre, perpetrated by Hamas and gazan civilians, tens of thousands of gazans were able to travel out of gaza through egypt and israel, where many of them worked. nearly 75,000 truckloads of food and cargo went into gaza from israel in 2022. Gaza exported lots too. | | |
| ▲ | xg15 10 minutes ago | parent [-] | | My point is that Israel had full control about exactly what Gaza was allowed to import and export (and frequently used those controls for collective punishment as well) I don't quite see how under those circumstances, they were able to build "a more powerful army than many European countries", unless you talk about Luxembourg or the Vatican. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip |
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| ▲ | ceejayoz an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | The point is “which belligerent is in rubble” and “which belligerent started shit” isn’t always the same. |
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| ▲ | nailer 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > I don’t think we can truly compare the missile attacks of Hamas vs the bombing campaigns of Israel Yes. Hamas attacks civilians, the IDF attacks Hamas. |
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| ▲ | ceejayoz 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | > That didn't happen. Hamas brags even about their failed attacks. Your comparison fails at the first step. > And if it was, we didn't mean it. And this one! How often does Hamas pull the "we didn't mean it!" card for their attacks on Israel? Have they ever? Of course they mean it, they're a bunch of assholes. | | |
| ▲ | nailer 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | > Hamas brags even about their failed attacks. Sure but pro Hamas advocates deny everything. | | |
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| ▲ | greekrich92 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | So the people who live in an open-air prison are on equal footing with their captors, torturers, starvers? Is that you're position? That's rhetorical btw, since your comment was not made in good faith. | | |
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