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JohnMakin 5 hours ago

It really doesn't matter how "good" these tools feel, or whatever vague metric you want - they hemorrhage cash at a rate perhaps not seen in human history. In other words, that usage you like is costing them tons of money - the bet is that energy/compute will become vastly cheaper in a matter of a couple of years (extremely unlikely), or they find other ways to monetize that don't absolutely destroy the utility of their product (ads, an area we have seen google flop in spectacularly).

And even say the latter strategy works - ads are driven by consumption. If you believe 100% openAI's vision of these tools replacing huge swaths of the workforce reasonably quickly, who will be left to consume? It's all nonsense, and the numbers are nonsense if you spend any real time considering it. The fact SoftBank is a major investor should be a dead giveaway.

df2dd 22 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

Indeed. Many of the posts I see on here are hilarious.

Have any of you tried re-producing an identical output, given an identical set of inputs? It simply doesn't happen. Its like a lottery.

This lack of reproducibility is a huge problem and limits how far the thing can go.

nfg 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> In other words, that usage you like is costing them tons of money

Evidence? I’m sure someone will argue, but I think it’s generally accepted that inference can be done profitably at this point. The cost for equivalent capability is also plummeting.

JohnMakin 5 hours ago | parent [-]

I didn't think there would need to be more evidence than the fact they are saying they need to spend $600 billion in 4 years on $13bn revenue currently, but here we are.

Here you go: https://www.wsj.com/livecoverage/stock-market-today-dow-sp-5...

tibbar 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Right, but if OpenAI wanted to stop doing research and just monetize its current models, all indications are that it would be profitable. If not, various adjustments to pricing/ads/ etc could get it there. However, it has no reason to do this, and like all the other labs is going insanely into debt to develop more models. I'm not saying that it's necessarily going to work out, but they're far from the first company to prioritize growth over profitability

zippothrowaway 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Nope. The only "all indications" are that they say so. They may be making a profit on API usage, but even that is very suspect - compare against how much it actually costs to rent a rack of B200s from Microsoft. But for the millions of people using Codex/Claude Code/Copilot, the costs of $20-$30-$200 clearly don't compare to the actual cost of inference.