Crucially the flat EV curve puts them mostly ahead of where ICEVs have been for their entire history.

It's not really an ICE vs EV thing, more that "EVs as hip new technology improving leaps and bounds annually" isn't really a thing and they're the car version of air fryers.

This is, to me, actually a good because there's no longer any early adopters remorse anymore so no reason not to buy one now because it won't be outdated in six months.

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DangitBobby 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I believe you have a mistaken impression. First, the bottom has fallen out of the used market creating significant buyers remorse for early adopters. Buyers remorse also for the switch from the previous US charging standard to Tesla's. And people are generally waiting with bated breath for advancements in battery technology for charging speeds, longevity, and capacity. Accurate or not, people are waiting for the technology to mature so they don't have an EV that isn't worth what they paid for it.

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rootusrootus 5 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> First, the bottom has fallen out of the used market creating significant buyers remorse for early adopters.

I feel this directly. On paper I've lost more money on my Model 3 than I have on the previous half dozen cars combined, I'm pretty sure. But on the other hand, Ford canceling the Lightning has (at least temporarily) improved the resale value on my Lightning considerably. I couldn't really sell it today for what I paid for it, but I wouldn't be that far off.

Problem is that I don't really love the Tesla, but I do love the Lightning. Ha! So I keep them both but for differing reasons.

> the switch from the previous US charging standard to Tesla's

As an aside, this is finally happening for real! Several models coming to market now are shipping with J3400 (aka NACS) ports standard. Yay! I look forward to a time where the days of various adapters being required are firmly behind us.

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formerly_proven 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> First, the bottom has fallen out of the used market creating significant buyers remorse for early adopters.

The very high deprecation is often noted but the comparison is mostly in relation to sticker price, but the high discounts plus subsidies mean that the average discount for an EV was way higher than on ICE cars. Most of the high depreciation disappears once you take into account what the first buyer would have actually paid for the vehicle (often a five-digit discount), at least in my used car market. Some models seem to actually hold their value remarkably well, particularly those with no/few known issues and no real successors.

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		I bought my car in the very brief period (a few months) where my purchase did not qualify for the tax credit. After 3.5 years of ownership, cars like mine sell for $15k, roughly 50% what I paid for it.

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julianeon 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

I hear people say this, but I also see announcements from Chinese carmakers like this:

"NEW: Latest EV model boasts full charge (200 miles) in only ~5 minutes"

To me, that seems like a leaps & bounds improvement.