Developers with and without devops experience.

This isn't any different than pre-Claude. We've always had people that wrote code, but had no clue about systems. Not everyone is a CS major. I've seen people do the strangest things that you would think a sane person would never do, yet, their the strangeness is happening by someone you would otherwise consider sane/smart. Not everyone is a sysadmin banging perl to automate things.

	▲	j45 2 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I would agree that it doesn't have anything to do with Claude. I didn't meant to imply CS majors knew this either. Understanding the impact of letting software run permission and operationally free within or against direct access to other software is a pretty basic thing. Neither deterministic nor non-deterministic software performs as expected without getting it right. We are new to non-deterministic software, let alone how it operates between different layers. DevOps, hosting, security, etc, is all in a way software, and software configuration. The more it's understood, the more it can inform software development, and in the case of openclaw, integrating systems.