It'd be nice to have drivers for newer Mac's for a better Asahi Linux experience. Good use of AI imo.

integralpilot 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

We don't use AI to help write code due to copyright concerns, it's against our policy. We obviously need to be very careful with what we're doing, and we can't be sure it hasn't seen Apple docs or RE'ed Apple binaries etc (which we have very careful clean-room policies on) in its training data. It also can't be guaranteed that the generated code is GPL+MIT compatible (as it may draw inspiration from other GPL only drivers in the same subsystems) but we wish to use GPL+MIT to enable BSD to take inspiration from the drivers.

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SOLAR_FIELDS 8 hours ago | parent [-]

Given that literally no one is enforcing this it seems like a moral rather than a business decision here no? Isn’t the risk here that your competitors, who have no such moral qualms, are just going to commit all sorts of blatant copyright infringement but it really doesn’t matter because no one is enforcing it?

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integralpilot 8 hours ago | parent | next [-]

I don't see open source as having "competitors". If someone wants to make a fork and use AI to write code (which I also think wouldn't be very useful, as there's no public documentation and everything needs to traced and RE-ed), they are welcome to. We're interested in upstreaming though, which means we need to make sure the origin of code and licence is all compatible and acceptable for mainline, and don't want to infringe on Apple's copyright (which they may enforce on a fork with less strict rules than ours).

	▲	SOLAR_FIELDS 4 hours ago \| parent [-]
		I get “fear of being sued or decoupled from the upstream project” for sure. It definitely speaks to the sad state of affairs currently when companies at Apple’s scale simply operate with complete impunity at copyright law when it comes to using AI (you think Apple isn’t using stuff like Claude internally? I can 100% guarantee you they are) but are able to turn around and bully people who might dare to do the same

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nozzlegear 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Who is a competitor for Asahi? What would that even entail?

> Given that literally no one is enforcing this

Presumably Apple's lawyers would enforce it.

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SOLAR_FIELDS 7 hours ago | parent [-]

I’ll believe it when I see a court case of them going after someone for some ai generated slop and they win. Don’t see much evidence of that happening right now, or really ever since the advent of these things

	▲	nozzlegear 3 hours ago \| parent [-]
		Why would any serious project want to risk being the legal guinea pig for that experiment? And to what end? Everyone is pretty much in agreement that reusing code you're not licensed to use is bad for open source and just an all around shitty thing to do.

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layer8 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Morals seem like a very good reason to not join those infringers.

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Gigachad 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

AI wouldn't work here. The OP task was converting one open source driver in to another one for FreeBSD. Since Mac doesn't have open source drivers to start with, a person still has to do the ground research. At least until you can somehow give the AI the ability to fully interact with the computer at the lowest levels and observe hardware connected to it.

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tokyobreakfast 8 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This is like complaining Delorean didn't make spare parts for your homemade time machine.