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apparent 2 hours ago

I get that this can make it possible for greater range for the same price, but what about the same range for lower price? If it weren't for the batteries, EVs would be much cheaper than ICE vehicles. It stands to reason that if we can cut the battery cost while keeping range the same, we could greatly cut the cost of the EV in total.

Maybe car companies don't want to do this because they'd rather price discriminate and get every last penny. It would be too bad though, since some people would happily upgrade cars more frequently if they weren't so outrageously expensive ($50k avg price for new vehicle transactions, IIRC).

rlpb 17 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I got a much reduced price in return for much lower range simply by buying an older EV. What’s wrong with leaving the new car market to those willing to pay the higher price, and the second hand market to those who want a lower price? This has always worked for me. It transfers especially well to EVs since older EVs were typically sold with less range.

orev 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Car companies already alter fuel tank sizes to get a specific range, so it would stand to reason that they would do the same for batteries. It’s cheaper for them to use fewer materials.

apparent an hour ago | parent [-]

Hope so! I have seen a few vehicles with higher capacity trims, so the real question is whether they'd shave $5k off the price of a vehicle and give it a quite-limited range (150 mile). Some people would be totally fine with that, especially as a second/third car.

But it would somewhat complicate manufacturing and make it a little more confusing for consumers to know what they're getting. Perhaps this corner of the market will continue to be served by sellers of years-old EVs, which can have lousy range but work well otherwise.

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Tade0 44 minutes ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Car manufacturers already offer different sizes of battery packs, but that doesn't affect the price that much.

apparent 25 minutes ago | parent [-]

Yeah I can't figure out why this is, exactly. If batteries are such a huge cost center, why can't I save a significant chunk of change by opting for a vehicle that has 100 or 200 miles less range?

torginus 3 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

I'm not quite up to date what LFP batteries cost nowadays, but I remember it's in the $70ish range - so for a respectable 80kWh, it'd only cost $5.6k out of the total. Considering you can get something like a new Corolla for $20k-ish, if the EV minus battery costs the same as a fully fledged ICE car, you could have a $25-27k car with a quite generous battery.

johanvts 13 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

You can? Going from the 84kwh ID3 to the 55 kwh saves you around 17%

apparent 5 minutes ago | parent [-]

That's cool, are these available in the US?

cmrdporcupine 39 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

"If it weren't for the batteries, EVs would be much cheaper than ICE vehicles."

And yet I've watched as $/kWh for battery component prices is 1/3rd of what it was 8 years ago (when I got my Chevy Volt) but EV prices have not appreciably gone down.

apparent 26 minutes ago | parent [-]

Yeah I think this is a combination of greater range and the ceasing of EV subsidization.

It would be nice if there were some options that had much less range than is now possible, at a substantial discount.

johanvts 11 minutes ago | parent [-]

There are many smaller “city” evs hitting the market that offer this. Renault 5 and Hyundia Inster etc.