> ...but have been deemed ineffective for the age verification conversation, for whatever stupid reason.

Consider that such arguments (just like the arguments of Prohibitionists that resulted in the rise to power of Organized Crime) are made in a varied combination of ignorance and bad faith, and that we should loudly reject them in the strongest possible terms.

To be clear, I'm asserting that the claim that preexisting parental controls are insufficient is an argument made in ignorance and bad faith, not your assertion that the argument is being made.

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john_strinlai 5 hours ago | parent [-]

>Consider that such arguments [...] we should loudly reject them in the strongest possible terms.

me and you can yell into the void all we want. and i will continue to do so!

but, age verification is already here. so while i continue to yell about how stupid it is, i am also going to propose options that i feel like are less bad than what is being actively rolled out right now.

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simoncion 5 hours ago | parent [-]

> ...i am also going to propose options that i feel like are less bad than what is being actively rolled out right now.

As I mentioned, what you propose is exactly as useful and protective as what we have now. What we have now has been roundly rejected by the authoritarians pushing this expansion of power and influence. Your time and energy are better spent resisting the expansion, rather than suggesting alternatives that those authoritarians will never accept (and tacitly accepting their premise in the process).

	▲	john_strinlai 5 hours ago \| parent [-]
		>As I mentioned, what you propose is exactly as useful and protective as what we have now. i disagree, for reasons i have already said and for other reasons i havent yet. but it is clear that we wont end up agreeing, so no need for us to keep going.