| ▲ | honkycat 6 hours ago |
| ISPs and OSs should be the ones providing these tools and make is stupid easy to set up a child's account and have a walled garden for kids to use. |
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| ▲ | maccard 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| I live in the UK. By default your ISP will block "mature" content and you have to contact them to opt out. iOS, Android, Playstation, Xbox, Switch all have parental controls that are enforced at an account level. A child with an iPhone, Xbox, and a Windows Laptop won't be able to install discord unless the parent explicitly lets them, or opts out of all the parental controls those platforms have to offer. The tech is here already, this is not about keeping children safe. |
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| ▲ | whywhywhywhy 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You have to be very tech savvy to know that your kid asking to install Discord to talk to/play games with their friend group is as dangerous as it is. | | |
| ▲ | maccard 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | A single google search will tell you pretty unanimously that discord isn’t for kids, is rated 13+ and has risks of talking to strangers. | | |
| ▲ | Gigachad an hour ago | parent [-] | | Parts of discord are not safe at all for 13 year olds and currently there isn't a mechanism as far as I am aware to restrict a 13 year old from accessing them. |
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| ▲ | drnick1 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | No, it's about corporate and government control. Thankfully, the UK government is clueless about tech, which means these controls can be bypassed relatively easily by using your own DNS or a public DNS server like Quad9. | | |
| ▲ | hunterpayne an hour ago | parent [-] | | The corporations in this case are fighting against this. This is about your government and its desire to squash opinions they don't like. They are already going so far as to jail people for posting opinions they don't like. This has absolutely nothing to do with children, children are just the excuse. |
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| ▲ | MSFT_Edging 3 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| There's a law going through in some state that want's to do this, but also put the onus on the OS developers to detect age aligned behavior. How do you do this with Linux? It would kill the open computer and kill ownership over computing. |
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| ▲ | bigfishrunning 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | Why would it be a problem to do this sort of thing with linux? Linux allows for oauth, proxied networking, what have you -- unless they're using some super-secret-unpublished-protocol, linux will be fine I'm against these age-verification laws, but to say it's impossible to comply with open-source software isn't really true. | | |
| ▲ | tsimionescu 17 minutes ago | parent [-] | | The point is that you won't be able to just install a Linux distro of your choice in this world - your computer will only run approved OSs that have gone through some kind of certification process to make sure they enforce age-verification content. If, say, the Debian foundation doesn't want to add these mandatory controls because they feel it goes against the spirit of Debian (not to mention the huge issues with the GPL), then your new computer just won't be able to run Debian anymore. And something like Kali would be right out, of course, since anonymity is not compatible with age verification. |
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| ▲ | techblueberry 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Mark Zuckerberg advocates for this, most people entrenched in this argument think it's worse. But I'm all for burning it to the ground so. |
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| ▲ | blindriver 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| You must not have kids if you think it's easy to keep children off things that are bad for them. |
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| ▲ | friendzis 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | [Any] task is much easier if you have the tools. Do/did you have a baby monitor? A technological tool, that allows you to "monitor" the baby while not being within an arms reach. Do you have an A+++++ oven with three panes of glass? It's [relatively] safe to touch and instead of monitoring if a child is somewhere near the oven you have to monitor if the child does not actively open the oven. That's much easier. | |
| ▲ | squigz 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | It's really not some Herculean task to do so either, though. | | |
| ▲ | metadat 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Maybe you don't have kids of your own. Once you have 2 or 3, it is quite challenging to manage everything, especially over time. | | |
| ▲ | blindriver 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Especially if they are older, like 8+ years old. They are resourceful, sneaky and relentless. | | |
| ▲ | cgriswald 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Which is exactly why all people everywhere giving up their privacy will also be ineffective. Drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, pornography were all illegal for me to access as a kid but I wouldn’t have had any trouble getting any of it. | | |
| ▲ | sarchertech 5 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Maybe at 16, not at 8. | | |
| ▲ | tsimionescu 12 minutes ago | parent | next [-] | | Many of my school colleagues started smoking around 10-11 years old. All of us had tasted alchol by then, and some of them were definitely drinking the occasional beer. Older kids sometimes brought porn magazines in school and would show younger kids too (still talking about pre-highscool here). Now, this was childhood in Romania in the 1990s and early 2000s, soon after the fall of communsim, so maybe not so applicable everywhere else, but still - I doubt that there is any problem for a resourceful 8-10 year old even today to get some of these things. | |
| ▲ | cgriswald 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The older kids are often the easy source for the younger kids. At 8 I had already seen a Playboy and knew kids who had seen harder stuff. I could have easily gotten a teenager to get me cigarettes (and drugs, but I didn’t know what those were really). I had also already tasted alcohol. Any of this I could have stolen from any number of places. At 16 it was easier, but at 8 it wasn’t hard. |
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| ▲ | blindriver 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | over 10 years ago, I had an intern from Harvard CS tell me that privacy is irrelevant unless you're doing something that you want to hide. I was gobsmacked that someone would not cherish their privacy but since then I've realized many don't care at all and have the same attitude that "I don't have anything to hide." | | |
| ▲ | hunterpayne an hour ago | parent [-] | | Well that's your mistake right there. You hired someone from Harvard. Unless you are hiring that person to use their connections to market your product, there is no reason to hire someone from Harvard. They just bring bad ideology and STDs from Russian hookers to the table and nobody wants that. PS This post is partly satire, I will leave it to you as to which part is serious. |
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| ▲ | aleph_minus_one 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > They are resourceful, sneaky and relentless. ... and honest: - they will honestly tell you that they'd be very happy to see you dead when you impose restrictions upon them (people who are older will of course possibly get into legal trouble for such a statement) - they will tell they they wish you'd never have given birth to them (or aborted them) - they will tell you that since they never wanted to be born, they owe you nothing - ... | | |
| ▲ | squigz 6 hours ago | parent [-] | | Sounds like a kid in need of psychiatric help. | | |
| ▲ | aleph_minus_one 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | You barely ever had to deal with pubescent children? :-) | | |
| ▲ | hunterpayne an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I raised kids. Never had to deal with anything like what is described. Sounds like someone read some questionable books on parenting, unfortunately followed the bad advice in those books and this is the result. And this entire thing is about bad parenting. Its always easier to just give the kid a tablet and go back to whatever you were doing. Its always better to actually interact with the kid. That trade-off of time is important because if you mess up when they are young, you spend a lot more time handling issues later on. That time you gained by giving them a tablet will get payed back someday, usually with interest. That's what is happening here. | |
| ▲ | squigz 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I mean, that's really not normal puberty stuff, but... okay. |
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| ▲ | Kaliboy 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | I remember how my sister and I set up Google Family and fully locked down my niece her phone with app restrictions, screen time restrictions and a policy of accountability when we need to extend the screen time. It worked really well up until she got a school managed chromebook for homework with no access controls. | | |
| ▲ | hellojesus 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | Can't your router block by Mac address? Just limit the Chromebook to allowlisted sites. And also school-issued computers are known for Spyware and even worse. It should probably be segregated in a separate network or vlan. |
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| ▲ | scottLobster 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | As a father of 3, one thing the wife and I had to learn over the course of the first two is that the modern world holds parents to impossible standards and a "fuck off" attitude is required for much of it. We've had pediatricians shame us for feeding our kids what they're willing to eat and not magically forcing "a more varied diet" down their throats at every meal, despite them being perfectly healthy by every objective metric. There are laws making it technically illegal for us to leave our kids unsupervised at home for any period of time in any condition, even a few minutes if one of us is running slightly late from work/appointments. Your not-quite-2-year-old is too tall for a rear-facing car-seat? You're a bad parent, possibly a criminal and putting them at risk by flipping the seat to face forward, a responsible parent spends hundreds of dollars they don't have on several different seats to maybe find one that fits better or have their kid ride uncomfortably and arguably unsafely with their legs hyper-extended up the seatback. Miss a flu shot because you were busy? Careful you don't come off as an antivaxxer. And all of this and more on top of changing diapers, doctors' appointments, daycare, preschool, school, family activities and full time jobs? Yeah, when my kids are old enough to engage with social media I will teach them how to use it responsibly, warn them about the dangers, make myself available to them if they have any problems, enforce putting the phones down at dinner and and keep a loose eye on their usage. Fortunately/unfortunately for them they have a technically sophisticated father who knows how to log web activity on the family router without their knowledge. So if anything goes sideways I'll have some hard information to look at. Most families don't have that level of technical skill. | | |
| ▲ | Wobbles42 5 hours ago | parent [-] | | I was almost certainly never going to be a parent for other unrelated reasons, but you have just given me a whole other list of confirmations for that decision that I hadn't thought of before. Thank you for that. |
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