Economic history is full of examples of demand shocks. This is not some unique situation that has never occurred before.

This is actually a clean commodity price spike because it’s specifically not for market manipulation or financial engineering. It’s because demand for this product really did explode overnight.

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fao_ a day ago | parent | next [-]

> This is actually a clean commodity price spike because it’s specifically not for market manipulation or financial engineering. It’s because demand for this product really did explode overnight.

Based on how the same 3 billion has been circiling between Anthropic, OpenAI, Nvidia, Google, Microsoft, Amazon, and a few other companies... I really doubt that this is the case, to be honest.

	▲	zerkten a day ago \| parent [-]
		I think it's reasonable to distinguish which side drove this. RAM prices are going up but it's not engineered primarily by RAM manufacturers. They are naturally jumping on the bandwagon and responding, but they aren't the drivers. Of course, how they respond matters. They could make other choices. Over time we'll see how this goes because AI could cool and then RAM manufacturers end up in a spot where they choose to manipulate prices to keep them higher.

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browningstreet a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

You're being exceedingly pedantic over the use of the colloquialism "DRAM tax" but then you allow "demand shocks". So yeah, everyone's shocked.

Weird hill..

	▲	Aurornis a day ago \| parent [-]
		Demand shock is not a colloquialism. It’s an real economic term that describes the situation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demand_shock Tax is also an economic term, which is not what’s happening. Calling it a “tax on consumers” doesn’t make sense because any data centers buying RAM right now are also buying from the same global market. If commenters just want to be outraged and throw words around then use whatever words you want, I suppose.

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throwaway5465 a day ago | parent | prev | next [-]

It is manipulation when wafers are purchased in order to not process further a la OpenAI.

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Juliate a day ago | parent | prev [-]

By 3 buyers who have no known plan to finance the purchase orders they have made.

Economic history is also full of examples of bubble bursts.