Very recent issue with Waymo https://dmnews.co.uk/waymo-robotaxi-spotted-unable-to-cross-.... This is 17 years after they bet the farm on LIDAR, with no signs its ever going to be cost effective or that it's better than multiple cameras, with millisecond reaction 360 degrees, that never gets tired, drunk, distracted, and also has other cheaper sensors and NN trained on Billions or real world data.

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jeltz an hour ago | parent | next [-]

Tesla does not handle rain well either. This is not a LIDAR problem, it is a problem with self driving cars in general.

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RobotToaster an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

That's an example of it failing safe. I'd rather it did that than drive me into a sinkhole because it thought it was a puddle.

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small_model an hour ago | parent [-]

Ok so Waymo is useless in the rain then, kind of limiting. But at least that 0.000000000001% times it actually is a sinkhole you won't damage the bumper.

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criley2 an hour ago | parent [-]

I'd rather a Waymo be useless in the rain rather than a Tesla be actively dangerous and likely to kill me.

Tesla ""autopilot"" fatalities: 65

Waymo fatalities: 0

	▲	seanmcdirmid an hour ago \| parent [-]
		Autopilot isn’t full self driving (FSD), most cars these ship with smart cruise control (what autopilot basically is). Do you have fatality statistics for FSD? If we are just talking about smart cruise control, most cars are using cameras and radar, not lidar yet. But Tesla is special since it doesn’t even use radar for its smart cruise control implementation, so that could make it less safe than other new cars with smart cruise control, but Autopilot was never competing with Waymo.

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WarmWash an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

There is also a report from the same flooding in LA of a Waymo driving into a flooded road and getting stuck.

They might have flipped a switch after that, causing this.

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veltas an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Dude that's not a 'puddle' as the article claims, that's a body of water that it's not even visually obvious whether it's safe to drive through. Maybe I'm a bad driver but I'd hesitate to drive through that in a small car either.

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idiotsecant an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

>A vehicle got stuck trying to figure out an obstacle so sensors with less information are better than sensors with more information.