| ▲ | RHSeeger 8 hours ago |
| > In order for the Romo, or really any modern autonomous vacuum, to function it needs to constantly collect visual data from the building it is operating in. I specifically bought one without a camera or mic. |
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| ▲ | skrebbel 4 hours ago | parent | next [-] |
| My Eufy claims to do all processing locally. I admit I never verified this (eg turn off the wifi while it's running - I should actually). But they were the only Chinese manufacturer that at least bothered to write anything about data locality and privacy in their marketing materials, and that got them my money. Obviously at any point the brand can send a firmware update down the wire that does send a realtime video feed from my home right to Chairman Xi's bedroom. I'm aware of that, but the reality also is that the European/US brands currently don't get anywhere near the Chinese price/quality ratio, and I didn't want to muck about with Valetudo, I'm not courageous enough for that. I'm not super happy about this situation but I am super happy about the robot. It's really very good. |
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| ▲ | Marsymars 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > In order for the Romo, or really any modern autonomous vacuum, to function it needs to constantly collect visual data from the building it is operating in. IMO the random bouncing of older Roombas was unfairly pilloried. Sure, it didn't look great, but in practice it was effective at cleaning. |
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| ▲ | tgsovlerkhgsel 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| Are there any like that that would have automatic emptying? |
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| ▲ | valicord 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | Roborock q revo | | |
| ▲ | arein3 6 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Ive got a q revo pro, which can dry the mops. Happy with it but note that I dont have carpets, I guess for carpets you need something with more features. | |
| ▲ | RHSeeger 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | The Roborock is what I have, and I've had no complaints; the Q5 Max+. With some googly eyes, it's pretty cute :) | |
| ▲ | bdcravens 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | The Q Revo series does have a camera and mic. | | |
| ▲ | izacus 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | They don't, the camera equipped ones are the maxV series. Q Revo has an IR sensor which doesn't transmit that data anywhere. | | |
| ▲ | bdcravens 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | I had a Q Revo Edge that had a mic (it responded to "Hey Rocky" commands) and I could remotely view my house through the camera. Are you thinking of the S8 line? That's the one with the MaxV model. | | |
| ▲ | izacus 2 hours ago | parent [-] | | No, I'm thinking about the Q Revo line which does not have cameras as I mentioned. |
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| ▲ | sverhagen 8 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| How do you know? For sure, I mean? |
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| ▲ | soopypoos 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I wrapped mine in foil to be safe and now it's fabulous | |
| ▲ | brookst 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | I mean your coffee maker could be a one-off spy device with nation-state backing. But it seems unlikely. | | |
| ▲ | skeeter2020 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | if they can build an internet connected coffee maker with mic and camera for 60 bucks that's freakin' amazing! | | | |
| ▲ | jlarocco 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | If Google thought it was okay to hide a microphone, I'm sure less scrutinized companies try to get away with worse. https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-47303077 | |
| ▲ | soopypoos 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] | | he did say he was trained at the kremlin... | |
| ▲ | dylan604 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | phew, yet another reason it pays off to not be a coffee drinker. | | |
| ▲ | Tempest1981 7 hours ago | parent [-] | | :) I'm sticking with my Aeropress | | |
| ▲ | Marsymars 4 hours ago | parent [-] | | I'm sitting here drinking an Aeropress-made coffee as I type this, but thinking about how the kettle I used to boil the water is wifi-connected. (Although the smarts are limited to firmware updates, there's no control of the kettle or useful data collected from the kettle.) | | |
| ▲ | ssl-3 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I understand why such a device might have firmware. For instance: The drip coffee maker in my kitchen also has firmware; it is used for things like operating the clock (which I've never set...), starting automatically at a pre-set time, and for turning the hot bits off after an hour or two. It's completely offline; these are just pre-programmed functions that will never change. But I have some questions, if you've got a moment. Why does the kettle's firmware need updating? What inhibits a future firmware update from controlling the kettle and collecting data? How would you or any other owner of this style of kettle know if it had shifted gears? (And remember: Since the kettle has a radio and a network connection, data collection isn't necessarily limited to kettle operations. Deducing location is easy for a motivated party using wifi and/or bluetooth signals in populated areas where others are using wireless technologies; see, for example: https://www.qualcomm.com/internet-of-things/solutions/qualco... ) | | |
| ▲ | Marsymars an hour ago | parent [-] | | > Why does the kettle's firmware need updating? What inhibits a future firmware update from controlling the kettle and collecting data? How would you or any other owner of this style of kettle know if it had shifted gears? It's a Fellow EKG Pro kettle. They've got release notes here: https://help.fellowproducts.com/hc/en-us/articles/9593179929... Notably, bug fixes to the same features that your drip coffee maker has (clock/scheduling stuff stuff), and the addition of new languages to the UI. > What inhibits a future firmware update from controlling the kettle and collecting data? How would you or any other owner of this style of kettle know if it had shifted gears? I assume these are somewhat rhetorical questions where we both know the answers - I'm not harbouring illusions here - as with any internet-connected software you have to trust the vendor. If it were up to me, I'd prefer a Z-Wave-connected kettle that received its firmware updates via Home Assistant... but fancy pour-over kettles are niche enough that a market for a Z-Wave one simply doesn't exist. As-is, I've got enough trust in Fellow that I'm leaving my kettle connected for firmware updates. Of course, that may change. | | |
| ▲ | ssl-3 27 minutes ago | parent [-] | | That's a very nice-looking kettle. Having looked at it, I agree with you completely. It seems rather unlikely that it would turn into a manufacturer-supported attack vector. We do have a different out-of-band/disconnected/not-wifi way of doing firmware things, and perhaps we should use it more than we do: Bluetooth. It's about as universal as it gets. I mean: Imagine a Venn diagram, with two groups. One group represents people who update the firmware in their kettles. The other group represents people who have Bluetooth-capable pocket supercomputers. The two groups overlap so neatly that the diagram is indistinguishable from a circle. :) |
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| ▲ | iamtedd 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | A kettle needs firmware updates? | | |
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| ▲ | amelius 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Does your smartphone have a mic? |
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| ▲ | dylan604 7 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | You've brought up such a brilliantly useless point to this discussion. I'm really appreciative of your efforts | |
| ▲ | codeulike 7 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Smartphones at least have some semblance of security, whereas iot devices are a free for all | | |
| ▲ | ssl-3 an hour ago | parent [-] | | Do they? I'd like to think that they should have reasonable security with my best interests in mind, but I really have no way of investigating what the baseband is or is not doing. |
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