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imron 7 hours ago

I have tried using this and other workflows for a long time and had never been able to get them to work (see chat history for details).

This has changed in the last week, for 3 reasons:

1. Claude opus. It’s the first model where I haven’t had to spend more time correcting things than it would’ve taken me to just do it myself. The problem is that opus chews through tokens, which led to..

2. I upgraded my Claude plan. Previously on the regular plan I’d get about 20 mins of time before running out of tokens for the session and then needing to wait a few hours to use again. It was fine for little scripts or toy apps but not feasible for the regular dev work I do. So I upgraded to 5x. This now got me 1-2 hours per session before tokens expired. Which was better but still a frustration. Wincing at the price, I upgraded again to the 20x plan and this was the next game changer. I had plenty of spare tokens per session and at that price it felt like they were being wasted - so I ramped up my usage. Following a similar process as OP but with a plans directory with subdirectories for backlog, active and complete plans, and skills with strict rules for planning, implementing and completing plans, I now have 5-6 projects on the go. While I’m planning a feature on one the others are implementing. The strict plans and controls keep them on track and I have follow up skills for auditing quality and performance. I still haven’t hit token limits for a session but I’ve almost hit my token limit for the week so I feel like I’m getting my money’s worth. In that sense spending more has forced me to figure out how to use more.

3. The final piece of the puzzle is using opencode over claude code. I’m not sure why but I just don’t gel with Claude code. Maybe it’s all the sautéing and flibertygibbering, maybe it’s all the permission asking, maybe it’s that it doesn’t show what it’s doing as much as opencode. Whatever it is it just doesn’t work well for me. Opencode on the other hand is great. It’s shows what it’s doing and how it’s thinking which makes it easy for me to spot when it’s going off track and correct early.

Having a detailed plan, and correcting and iterating on the plan is essential. Making clause follow the plan is also essential - but there’s a line. Too fine grained and it’s not as creative at solving problems. Too loose/high level and it makes bad choices and goes in the wrong direction.

Is it actually making me more productive? I think it is but I’m only a week in. I’ve decided to give myself a month to see how it all works out.

I don’t intend to keep paying for the 20x plan unless I can see a path to using it to earn me at least as much back.

raw_anon_1111 7 hours ago | parent [-]

Just don’t use Claude Code. I can use the Codex CLI with just my $20 subscription and never come close to any usage limits

throwawaytea 7 hours ago | parent [-]

What if it's just slower so that your daily work fits within the paid tier they want?

raw_anon_1111 7 hours ago | parent [-]

It isn’t slower. I use my personal ChatGPT subscriptions with Codex for almost everything at work and use my $800/month company Claude allowance only for the tricky stuff that Codex can’t figure out. It’s never application code. It’s usually some combination of app code + Docker + AWS issue with my underlying infrastructure - created with whatever IAC that I’m using for a client - Terraform/CloudFormation or the CDK.

I burned through $10 on Claude in less than an hour. I only have $36 a day at $800 a month (800/22 working days)

imron 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

> and use my $800/month company Claude allowance only for the tricky stuff that Codex can’t figure out.

It doesn’t seem controversial that the model that can solve more complex problems (that you admit the cheaper model can’t solve) costs more.

For the things I use it for, I’ve not found any other model to be worth it.

raw_anon_1111 6 hours ago | parent [-]

You’re assuming rational behavior from a company that doesn’t care about losing billions of dollar.

Have you tried Codex with OpenAi’s latest models?

imron 5 hours ago | parent [-]

Not in the last 2 months.

Current clause subscription is a sunk cost for the next month. Maybe I’ll try codex if Claude doesn’t lead anywhere.

raw_anon_1111 4 hours ago | parent [-]

I use both. As I’m working, I tell each of them to update a common document with the conversation. I don’t just tell Claude the what. I tell it the why and have it document it.

I can switch back and forth and use the MD file as shared context.

ValentineC 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

Curious: what are some cases where it'd make sense to not pay for the 20x plan (which is $200/month), and provide a whopping $800/month pay-per-token allowance instead?

raw_anon_1111 4 hours ago | parent [-]

Who knows? It’s part of an enterprise plan. I work for a consulting company. There are a number of fallbacks, the first fallback if we are working on an internal project is just to use our internal AWS account and use Claude code with the Anthropic hosted on Bedrock.

https://code.claude.com/docs/en/amazon-bedrock

The second fallback if it is for a customer project is to use their AWS account for development for them.

The rate my company charges for me - my level as an American based staff consultant (highest bill rate at the company) they are happy to let us use Claude Code using their AWS credentials. Besides, if we are using AWS Bedrock hosted Anthropic models, they know none of their secrets are going to Anthropic. They already have the required legal confidentiality/compliancd agreements with AWS.