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pjc50 3 hours ago

It's very easy to create hydrogen from fossil natural gas. Which is the real motivation behind 99% of H2 projects; continue to emit CO2, just hidden from the end user.

Battery electric is now pretty much inevitable.

pfdietz 2 hours ago | parent | next [-]

In fairness, hydrogen from gas would enable the CO2 to be sequestered. If the vehicle itself burned the natural gas that would require recapturing the CO2 from the atmosphere itself, which is much more challenging.

None of this is to detract from the attractiveness of battery vehicles.

pjc50 40 minutes ago | parent [-]

Carbon sequestration is another of those "if we did this, it might solve the problem, but there's no serious move to do it and pay for it on the scale required, plus it's prone to cheating".

2muchcoffeeman 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

How do you solve aeronautical and maritime applications?

pjc50 42 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

The Toyota Mirai neither flies nor floats.

There's a bit of a movement for battery electric ships, but currently limited to short haul ferries. I have a suspicion this simply won't be "solved" for quite some time after car and heating electrification.

danhor 2 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Certainly not with hydrogen directly. It might be involved in the production chain, but it's such a pain. If it's at all possible to electrify, that'll very likely win.

For flights, a combination of batteries for smaller, regional planes starting with "islands hoppers" now and SAF from either Biofuel or produced from Electricity (with Hydrogen as an intermediate step). Although I think that we might first see moves to reduce the 2x non CO2 Climate Impacts which can be much cheaper to tackle (such as Contrails).

For maritime applications, batteries when regularly near ports, probably hybrids with methanol for cross-ocean passage far away from coasts.

fsh an hour ago | parent | prev [-]

Hydrogen is not great for airplanes since the extremely low density makes the tanks too large. The best solution would be synthetic hydrocarbons (synthesized using hydrogen) which can outperform fossil jet fuel.