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dang 5 hours ago

All: quite a few comments in this thread (and another one we merged hither - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47099160) have contained personal attacks. Hopefully most of them are [flagged] and/or [dead] now.

On HN, please don't cross into personal attack no matter how strongly you feel about someone or disagree with them. It's destructive of what the site is for, and we moderate and/or ban accounts that do it.

If you haven't recently, please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and make sure that you're using the site as intended when posting here.

Razengan 40 minutes ago | parent | next [-]

But your ass still won't do anything about downvote abuse though right? Perfectly fine and neutral comments getting pounded into grayness just for not going along with the bandwagon or whatever.

derangedHorse a minute ago | parent | next [-]

It's not 'downvote abuse' if it's working exactly as intended. The community decides what's 'perfectly fine and neutral.' If your comments follow the guidelines, at least they won't get deleted.

simondotau 27 minutes ago | parent | prev [-]

Being rude isn't helpful. It's not their fault, it's the unavoidable reality of treating complex social signalling as one-dimensional. At minimum Hacker News would need to separate approval/disapproval signals from assessments of whether a comment is constructive. That’s not a simple change given the obvious abuse vectors. It would require reliably distinguishing good-faith participants from bad actors. It can be done, but it's not easy.

The main reason sites avoid this approach is institutional rather than technical. Adding algorithmic mediation invites accusations of algorithmic bias whenever results are unpopular.[0] Simple manual interventions are often sufficient to nudge community behaviour so that majority outcomes broadly align with the moderators’ priors, without the visibility or accountability costs of a more complex system.

[0] Case in point being X. People routinely accuse the new management of "juicing" the algorithm to favour their politics, when outcomes are adequately explained by the exodus of contributors on the other side. Isolating innate community bias from algorithms is a philosophically impossible problem.

fullstackchris 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

no personal attacks, just rebranding over and over again of the same basic functionality with no true innovation. people are rightfully angry. imagine if this had happened with the advent of rest apis. folks would be just as furious, and rightfully so

kovek 18 minutes ago | parent [-]

What is there to be furious about?