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| ▲ | culi an hour ago | parent | next [-] |
| It's wild that you think the problem with the US is too low of an incarceration rate. 25% of all prisoners in the world are in the US |
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| ▲ | odie5533 an hour ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| We spend $80 billion a year on incarceration in the US, and have the highest incarceration rate in the world. Your plan increases both. Do you honestly think that if we spend $160 billion or $240 billion a year and double or triple our incarcerated population that we'd solve crime? Look at places and countries with low crime. They don't have the most Flock cameras, the most prisoners, or the most powerful surveillance evidence because while those may solve a crime, they don't solve crime as a whole. |
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| ▲ | loeg 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| > The real issue is prosecutors who refuse to incarcerate repeat offenders. Sometimes judges contribute as well. |
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| ▲ | FpUser 4 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-] |
| >"The real issue is prosecutors who refuse to incarcerate repeat offenders" Sure. US prosecutors are so lenient that the US is the capital of incarceration |
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| ▲ | Izikiel43 2 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | Depends a lot on the city/state.
Check super blue cities like Seattle or San Francisco, and the people there complain that the justice system doesn't work as repeat offenders are let go, for one reason or another. The big incarceration states are most likely deep red states. | | |
| ▲ | FpUser an hour ago | parent [-] | | I live in Canada, to me the US is a whole. I am pretty sure one can find close to crimeless areas there along with something totally opposite. does not matter from the outside. |
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| ▲ | bpodgursky 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | This is literally true and you think you are being snarky but just look ignorant. | | |
| ▲ | laksjhdlka 3 hours ago | parent | next [-] | | I can't tell which element(s) of the previous post you are criticizing. | |
| ▲ | FpUser 3 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | Ignorant of what may I ask? Also I do not "think". | | |
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| ▲ | thrance 4 hours ago | parent | prev [-] |
| Any evidence of what you're saying about prosecutors and video surveillance? |
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| ▲ | Aeglaecia 3 hours ago | parent [-] | | there exists evidence proving that a fraction of individuals commit the majority of violent crime. thus, incarcerating those particular individuals would inherently reduce the majority of violent crime. is something missing from this equation? | | |
| ▲ | tbrownaw an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | I read that as questioning whether better evidence would actually help. Which I assume is a reference to some prosecutors ignoring certain crimes as a matter of policy, for example there was news a bit ago about CA choosing to ignore shoplifting under some amount. | |
| ▲ | datsci_est_2015 2 hours ago | parent | prev [-] | | > is something missing from this equation? Decades of historical evidence to the contrary. If you’d like to have an informed opinion, at least engage with the academic material. Otherwise you come off sounding naïve, insisting that complex problems have simple solutions. Edit: maybe my ears are a bit sensitive, but I can’t help but hear a faint whistle in the wind, maybe only at a frequency a dog could hear. But no, surely not here in gentlemanly company. | | |
| ▲ | Manuel_D an hour ago | parent | next [-] | | What evidence to the contrary? 1% of the US population does commit over 60% of violent crime: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3969807/ | | |
| ▲ | datsci_est_2015 an hour ago | parent [-] | | That’s not what I’m disputing, of course. I’m disputing that the grandparent’s assertion that if we (by your stats) simply lock up 1% of the population that violent crime would drop by 60%. I mean, trivially, using our brains for a nanosecond, what if that 1% of the population is almost always 16-18 year olds when they commit those violent crimes. The 16-18 demographic is roughly 4% of the US population (Google). That would mean locking up 1 in 4 high school students for 6-20 of their most formative years, and thrusting them back into society with a “Mission Accomplished” banner hanging behind you. Play with the numbers a bit (maybe it’s 1 in 20), but the point stands. Using imprisonment to try to quarantine a demographic that is perceived as irreparably violent is a barbaric, sophomoric idea that has very little evidence of success in the modern era. | | |
| ▲ | foxglacier a few seconds ago | parent | next [-] | | There are two ideas here - locking up actual criminals and locking up people who happen to fit the pattern of a criminal even without committing any crime. You're arguing against the latter, but I don't think anybody was proposing that. | |
| ▲ | toxik 22 minutes ago | parent | prev [-] | | Don't jail criminals because maybe they're young, that's your argument? Sounds like a something that's already part of the sentencing policy, leniency of first time offenders. |
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| ▲ | Aeglaecia an hour ago | parent | prev [-] | | you are accusing me of virtue signalling without discussing the evidence. this in itself is a virtue signal. I'm not trying to insult you by saying this ... you are behaving hypocritically. lots of people don't treat that gently, I genuinely suggest you be careful towards whom you act that way. if you have an actual point I'm happy to chat about it, however my tolerance of snippy snappy rhetoric is running low | | |
| ▲ | datsci_est_2015 an hour ago | parent [-] | | Nah man I’m going to continue to proudly call out people who skirt the line of racism by advocating for the same policies that racists have championed since the fall of the Confederacy. Say it with your chest next time, there’s a reason that it’s not tolerated in polite company. I guess maybe some of YCombinator would enjoy it though, judging by their investments and the rhetoric of those they are associated with. | | |
| ▲ | Aeglaecia 42 minutes ago | parent [-] | | it sounds to me like you would prefer moral grandstanding about north american politics instead of sharing discussion. not interested, thanks for the opportunity to practice my patience |
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