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tl2do 7 hours ago

I have similar and deep privacy concerns. But I also know that cameras have helped find criminals and assist crime victims. I don't want to let fugitives go without punishment. In fact, I must admit that cameras are a realistic choice given the current technology.

Flock Safety must be under public evaluation. Tech companies tend to hide technical specs, calling them trade secrets. But most internet security standards are public. What should be private is the encryption key. The measure to protect development effort is patents, which are public in the registry.

lich_king 7 hours ago | parent | next [-]

Why are tech specs relevant here? The problem with Flock is that once the data is collected, and once it's made accessible to law enforcement without any legal review, it's going to be used for solving heinous crimes, for keeping tabs on a vocal critic of the police commissioner, and for checking what the officer's ex-wife is up to.

If the cameras were installed and operated by the DHS or by the local PD, would that make you feel better? The data should not exist, or if it must, it shouldn't be accessible without court approval. The model you're proposing doesn't ensure that; in fact, it moves it closer to the parties most likely to misuse it.

tadfisher 6 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

> I don't want to let fugitives go without punishment.

There is a famous quote about this that needs to be updated for the modern age.

"I'd rather let ten fugitives go unsurveilled, than to surveil one innocent person."

lm28469 7 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

The cameras aren't the problem, it's the companies behind them.

Everybody wants murderers and rapists in jail, nobody wants to 24/7 share their location and upload their every thoughts to palantir and other companies operated by degenerates like Thiel

loeg 4 hours ago | parent | next [-]

A significant number of people do not seem to want copper thieves, porch pirates, and organized retail thieves in jail.

DangitBobby 3 hours ago | parent [-]

If it requires constant public surveillance to catch them then yeah they can stay out of jail.

plagiarist 5 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

> 24/7 share their location and upload their every thoughts to palantir and other companies operated by degenerates like Thiel

It's so funny though that the majority of all people are doing exactly this, 24/7.

vorpalhex 5 hours ago | parent | prev | next [-]

Follow the money.

There's no money to be made arresting criminals. Sure you get a few police contracts, and you need to show enough results to keep them.. but your moat is mostly how hard it is to even submit bids.

There's a lot more money to be made knowing that Accountant Mary's Lexis is looking kind of banged up and she could be sold on a new one.

fzeroracer 6 hours ago | parent | prev [-]

This has nothing to do with the actual problem, which is Flock itself.

The fact that Flock controls all of the cameras, all of the data and said data is easily accessible means police and the state have access to information that they should only get with a warrant. A business having a camera storing video data that's completely local isn't an issue. A business having a camera which is connected to every other business that has a camera is.

Manuel_D an hour ago | parent [-]

Since when are warrants required for footage of people in public? Does a red light camera need a judge's warrant before it snaps a photos of a car running the light?